Who can slighty best these WHOLESALE PRICES?? ALL CARDS SOLD!

[bobbyw8469]

I have some cards packed up and ready to go to All Star Cards. Just wanted to see if anyone can slightly beat their prices to convince me to sell to you rather than ship it off to them....here are the cards and prices! Because these prices are very slightly above wholesale, I am asking for payment to be cash, check, money order, paypal gift/payment owed. All prices are delivered!

1960 Whitey Ford PSA 7. ASC is paying $42 - I am asking $SOLD

1957 Bill Mazeroski PSA 7 (Rookie). ASC is paying $85 - I am asking $SOLD!



1969 Roberto Clemente PSA 6. ASC is paying $25 - I am asking $SOLD!

[bobbyw8469]

1960 Sandy Koufax PSA 6. ASC is paying $50 - I am asking $SOLD

[cparker94]

I'd like the Koufax for my 1960 set. Only need this and four more cards! PM sent!

Craig from Texas

[bobbyw8469]

These prices are already based upon wholesale prices. I need to make a little more than $2-$3 to make it worth my while. That being said, the prices need to be firm.

[bobbyw8469]

What happened to all these dealers who claim to pay the highest prices?

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

What happened to all these dealers who claim to pay the highest prices?

They are just like every car dealership that says they have the bottom, lowest price and they'll beat anyone else's price.

The prices that you are getting are pretty good, I don't think you are going to find a reseller to give you anymore. However, you may find a collector.

My 2 cents.

[bobbyw8469]

Yea...a lot of people claim they pay the highest prices, but I have not found anyone who can touch the prices ASC pays for cards. And all their prices are right there in black and white for you to see. I like that a lot.

List updated for sold card.

[cparker94]

Use caution with this seller. He agreed to sell me the Koufax for $58 and I asked if it would be ok to pay him through paypal tomorrow. He said that would be fine and he gave me his paypal address. Woke up today about to pay him and I got a PM from him saying that he sold the card to someone else for more than we agreed to.

Craig from Texas

[bobbyw8469]

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Sorry...all cards are available for sale elsewhere for more money. I am wholeselling these ONLY for Net54 members. All cards will remain up elsewhere until I get CASH PAYMENT IN HAND. Too many people have claimed "the check is in the mail", only to have the check never arrive...

Shady

Robert Dixon

[cparker94]

Like I said, use caution with this seller.

Craig from Texas

[bobbyw8469]

How is that shady?? Cards for sale until payment in hand? I think we need a referee.....

[bobbyw8469]

I have had people tell me they are going to pay the next day, and after they wake up, cancel on me. I don't FORCE them to pay. I am like, "that is cool - card still for sale". Craig had access to net54 but not paypal yesterday?? I don't think so. It is an unfortunate situation, and to be honest, I usually jack the price up so high on the other venue, that noone will want it when I have a verbal committment. I forgot to do it in this instance. The way I see it, both parties can share some responsibility in this. But to say I am shady is far from the truth!

[cparker94]

Whoa buddy. Hold on there. I have all of my card spreadsheets which I use for recording payments, incoming cards, and all other card related stuff at the office. If you couldn't wait one day to get your hands on my money, you should have stated so and I would have driven to my office, record everything, and pay you. We had an agreement that I would pay you this morning and you reneged. You cancelled on me and accepted a better offer. Not good business if you ask me. Now if I didn't pay you today like WE agreed on, you would have every right to sell to someone else.

Craig from Texas

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I have had people tell me they are going to pay the next day, and after they wake up, cancel on me. I don't FORCE them to pay. I am like, "that is cool - card still for sale". Craig had access to net54 but not paypal yesterday?? I don't think so. It is an unfortunate situation, and to be honest, I usually jack the price up so high on the other venue, that noone will want it when I have a verbal committment. I forgot to do it in this instance. The way I see it, both parties can share some responsibility in this. But to say I am shady is far from the truth!

[bobbyw8469]

Now you hold on there buddy! I didn't get a better offer than yours. Did you not read what I just wrote?? Yes, the card sold for more money technically, but after fees and what not, the card ACTUALLY SOLD FOR LESS MONEY THAN WHAT WE AGREED UPON!! Someone purchased it in the middle of the night around 3 in the morning! Like I said, I forgot to jack up the price at the other venue. To villify me is totally uncalled for however. An unfortunate situation happened. That is it.

Originally Posted by cparker94

Whoa buddy. Hold on there. I have all of my card spreadsheets which I use for recording payments, incoming cards, and all other card related stuff at the office. If you couldn't wait one day to get your hands on my money, you should have stated so and I would have driven to my office, record everything, and pay you. We had an agreement that I would pay you this morning and you reneged. You cancelled on me and accepted a better offer. Not good business if you ask me. Now if I didn't pay you today like WE agreed on, you would have every right to sell to someone else.

Craig from Texas

[cparker94]

Like I said, use caution with this guy. He tells you here that it sold for less money but yet here's a message he sent to me...


"Sorry Craig....the Koufax sold on another site last night. I don't pull cards down until I actually have the money in hand. If it is any consolation, it sold for more money...I was actually wholesaling the cards for Net54 members."

Any consolation? Yes, I feel better. Thank you!


Craig from Texas

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Now you hold on there buddy! I didn't get a better offer than yours. Did you not read what I just wrote?? Yes, the card sold for more money technically, but after fees and what not, the card ACTUALLY SOLD FOR LESS MONEY THAN WHAT WE AGREED UPON!! Someone purchased it in the middle of the night around 3 in the morning! Like I said, I forgot to jack up the price at the other venue. To villify me is totally uncalled for however. An unfortunate situation happened. That is it.

[vintage954]

Damn, let me add him to the list of people to not buy from...

[Sean1125]

Pretty scumbag move.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Pretty scumbag move.

lol....not hardly..like I can control what happens in the middle of the night.....I hadn't been paid yet - all I had was a verbal committment.....now Sean....we can really talk about you and how you treated Eric if you want to go that way.

[hcv123]

From what was shared I understand that the agreement reached was that Craig would send the agreed upon sale price to Bobby the next day. Did I get that right guys? Further that there was no communication about the card remaining "available for sale" till payment was received. Is that right?

If I got that right then I have to side with Craig here. The lack of clear communication of terms and broken agreement rest with Bobby.

If I got the facts wrong - I apologize. Just trying to help you guys out with an objective opinion.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

lol....not hardly..like I can control what happens in the middle of the night.....I hadn't been paid yet - all I had was a verbal committment.....now Sean....we can really talk about you and how you treated Eric if you want to go that way.

Offer was given consideration and acceptance.

There are two sides to every story.

[Leon]

To me it sounds like poor communication and execution on Bobby's part. I don't think it was some convoluted issue. The card was left up for sale and shouldn't have been once the deal was made. It sold to someone else. I suggest better and more transparent communication in the future. And take down a card from other places it is for sale, once it is sold. It's elementary selling.

[6-4-3memorabilia]

was very poor communication. I have seen cards on bst and when I pm the seller they will tell me they had someone contact them already and a sale is pending and will email me back if the sale falls through. As a buyer I understand that. If you agreed to be paid by a certain date the only way I can understand selling the card to another buyer is if the first person went past the deadline on the agreed upon date of payment.

[jhs5120]

I see nothing wrong with listing a card on ebay and the forum. I've done it before and I've had situations where I need to cancel one transaction or another (sometimes it just happens). I always go with the person who pays first.

Edited to add:

One situation I remember in particular, a forum member purchased a 1968 Topps set from me for $600. I also had the set on ebay for $900 obo. Someone hit the buy it now option that night for the full $900 about 15 minutes after the forum member paid. I cancelled the ebay transaction.

Now, if the item sold on ebay before the forum member paid, I would have been more inclined to honor the ebay transaction.

[vintage954]

You guys had an agreement, then you got a higher offer later at night for more and you sold it. You should have told the second buyer that he was next in line of buyer 1 flaked.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by vintage954

You guys had an agreement, then you got a higher offer later at night for more and you sold it. You should have told the second buyer that he was next in line of buyer 1 flaked.

It was not a higher offer. It was for sell on Ebay at a higher price. The listing was not pulled, nor jacked up. After fees, I actually got less money than what Craig offered. An unfortunate situation because of an error on my part.

Now, if the item sold on ebay before the forum member paid, I would have been more inclined to honor the ebay transaction.

That is exactly what happened. The Ebay buyer hit the button in the middle of the night, before Craig paid.

[sebie43]

The price is not the issue here,In my opinion the listing should have been pulled as soon as there was an agreement to buy, ( it would avoided this situation) If a man tells me will pay tomorrow I will take him at his word, maybe Im just naive.

[wilkiebaby11]

I've dealt with Craig in the past on jsut a couple of transactions, and I think on all of them, the agreement was he'd pay the next day; which I now know why. I didnt care why, an agreement was made and the card was 'his' UNLESS he broke our agreement (payment on next day, which he of course didnt). As the seller, I don't lose anything IF they don't pay. I would just put the card back up for sale and I'm no worse off.

The thing about a forum like this is that it is collectors working with other collectors. If there isn't any trust, then the forum is worthless.

Also, why not cancel the second transaction? It's pretty easy to do so on eBay, if it was indeed a mistake. That buyer surely will be pretty upset too, but at least you would have stayed true to your first agreement.

A man who cannot be trusted is not much. If you can believe his words and he lives up to them, he is a good man. If someone scams you or lies to you, or promises you something and never comes through, he's not much of a man.

My 2 cents.

[cparker94]

Just to clarify, my transactions with Steve were very successful and no agreement was broken between he and myself. I believe Steve means to say that IF I didn't pay by the agreed timeframe, he would place the card back on the market.

Craig from Texas

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

I've dealt with Craig in the past on jsut a couple of transactions, and I think on all of them, the agreement was he'd pay the next day; which I now know why. I didnt care why though, an agreement was made and the card was 'his' until he broke our agreement (payment on next day). As the seller, I don't lose anything if he doesn't pay, I put the card back up for sale and I'm no worse off.

The thing about a forum like this is that it is collectors working with other collectors. If there isn't any trust, then the forum is worthless.

Also, why not cancel the second transaction? It's pretty easy to do so on eBay, if it was indeed a mistake. That buyer surely will be pretty upset too, but at least you would have stayed true to your first agreement.



My 2 cents.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by sebie43

The price is not the issue here,In my opinion the listing should have been pulled as soon as there was an agreement to buy, ( it would avoided this situation) If a man tells me will pay tomorrow I will take him at his word, maybe Im just naive.

Yes....I made a mistake. In the past, I have jacked the price up so high, around 707 level, that no one would want the card (unless you are a 707 customer). I forgot to do that in this instance, and the card was purchased last night. My ebay sales have been so slow, that I can't even give away cards on there, so it just escaped my mind to do that.

[maddux311]

I don't see it as shady. It is an honest mistake and these things do happen time to time.

On another board, I had someone inquire about an item that I no longer had, but would be receiving more within a week or so. This person was willing to wait a week for me to receive, send them pictures and agree on terms. We did just that and I sent them payment information, only to not receive payment or a response. Basically even though we agreed on the sale, I jeopardized possible sales not having it listed. Would I sell to this person if they inquired again? Absolutely. They ended up responding and their explanation is totally understandable, just as the one with the OP.

[cparker94]

I'm trying to locate the Koufax on eBay's completed auction search results but can't seem to find it. I know eBay's searches can be tough at times. If anyone can find this card, please let me know as I'm curious to see the details.

Thank you --

Craig from Texas

[moeson]

It appears to have been sold for a best offer of $100 on 5/21!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by moeson

It appears to have been sold for a best offer of $100 on 5/21!

Not mine...that card has a different cert number.

Plus the one that sold for $100 sold on May 21st. Your dates aren't matching up Columbo. The one from last night isn't showing up yet. It will be the same cert and everything.

[moeson]

My bad, although I also don't see the one from last night.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by moeson

My bad, although I also don't see the one from last night.

Ebay has gotten slow with showing recent activity. Usually take a full 24 hours before things start showing up in completed history.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by maddux31

I don't see it as shady.

Nor do I. It's unfortunate, call it even absent minded (heck, I'm guilty of that too), but shady? I can see it if he agreed to the price then accepted a higher offer, but he simply forgot to remove the card from eBay.

I've seen dealers make this mistake many times. It happens a lot more than you think. The dealer sells a card at a show that they also have for sale on eBay, but then forget to cancel the auction and someone else buys it on eBay. Again, nothing shady, just a mistake.

[bobbyw8469]

I did word my PM to Craig this morning very poorly. I wasn't quite awake yet, and didn't phrase it as carefully as I should have. Being a true wordsmith has never been one of my strong suits. With that Craig, I am sorry. It was never my intention to incoveniece you in any, way shape or form. I do hope you accept my apology.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I did word my PM to Craig this morning very poorly. I wasn't quite awake yet, and didn't phrase it as carefully as I should have. Being a true wordsmith has never been one of my strong suits. With that Craig, I am sorry. It was never my intention to incoveniece you in any, way shape or form. I do hope you accept my apology.

While the deed has already been done, why did you not inconvenience the other guy? He may have been more understanding of the fact that the card sold the previous night on a different site and you hadn't removed it yet. Seems as though that would have been easier track for an accepted apology than breaking your original sales agreement.

While I wouldn't call the whole sales tactic 'shady', I would agree that it isn't the best way to go about things, especially on an open forum where 'trust is a must'.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

While the deed has already been done, why did you not inconvenience the other guy? He may have been more understanding of the fact that the card sold the previous night on a different site and you hadn't removed it yet. Seems as though that would have been easier track for an accepted apology than breaking your original sales agreement.

While I wouldn't call the whole sales tactic 'shady', I would agree that it isn't the best way to go about things, especially on an open forum where 'trust is a must'.

Like Jason Simonds said, I had to go with the person who paid first. An unfortunate situation to be in, to say the least.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Like Jason Simonds said, I had to go with the person who paid first. An unfortunate situation to be in, to say the least.

I highly disagree with that. It's like a contract. You can't, for the sake of arguing, back out of a sales agreement to sell a house to take a higher offer that comes in. Just because the loan amount doesn't show up for about 60 days after the agreement, doesn't mean that you can take a higher cash offer in the mean time. Any offers that trickle in afterwords, higher or lower, cannot be accepted. (I'm not a realtor, but that my best analogy for this.)

I know 'money talks' but when it comes to this forum (and others like it) I just assumed that it was in good character to oblige to agreements made. If you were afraid of non-payment, you should have made it clear that you were keeping the card for sale until cash was in hand.

While you have agreed that you made a mistake, an honest one at that, I find it baffling that you wouldn't try to correctly fix it. I would make all efforts in the future to let it be known that no sale is final until money is in your hand.

I say this all as a buyer who would be very frustrated if I found myself in this situation.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

I highly disagree with that. It's like a contract. You can't, for the sake of arguing, back out of a sales agreement to sell a house to take a higher offer that comes in. Just because the loan amount doesn't show up for about 60 days after the agreement, doesn't mean that you can take a higher cash offer in the mean time. Any offers that trickle in afterwords, higher or lower, cannot be accepted. (I'm not a realtor, but that my best analogy for this.)

I know 'money talks' but when it comes to this forum (and others like it) I just assumed that it was in good character to oblige to agreements made. If you were afraid of non-payment, you should have made it clear that you were keeping the card for sale until cash was in hand.

While you have agreed that you made a mistake, an honest one at that, I find it baffling that you wouldn't try to correctly fix it. I would make all efforts in the future to let it be known that no sale is final until money is in your hand.

I say this all as a buyer who would be very frustrated if I found myself in this situation.

I see it differently. He has two options. Either way, you PO a customer.

Option 1 - PO a forum member and apologize
Option 2 - PO an eBay member, apologize, but still receive negative feedback

I think he chose the right option, but that's just me. Obviously there is no right or wrong answer - you end up with a PO customer either way. Again, unfortunate, but to keep analyzig it over and over doesn't do any good. It's already happened.

[cparker94]

Robert,

How about posting the item number of the sold Koufax? I have received a couple of PMs doubting that you sold one last night and I think you would want to set the record straight.

Craig from Texas

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by cparker94

robert,

how about posting the item number of the sold koufax? I have received a couple of pms doubting that you sold one last night and i think you would want to set the record straight.

Craig from texas

201096451637

[cparker94]

Much appreciated.

Craig from Texas

[jhs5120]

LINK TO THE AUCTION

Ended: Jun 02, 2014 00:38:55 PDT

I think that's 3:38 AM EST (correct me if I'm wrong), but it looks like Bobby is telling the truth.

I think no one is to blame, it's just unfortunate. If I agree to a sale on the BST forum, I'm not taking down my listing that minute (especially with this board's reputation of reneging). I mean what can you do? The guy bought the card at 3:30 in the morning the night after to agreeing to a sale.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by cparker94

Much appreciated.

Craig from Texas

NP....I have no idea why members would doubt what I say is the truth. Why would I NOT want to sell a card?? I am in the business of selling cards!

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

LINK TO THE AUCTION



I think that's 3:38 AM EST (correct me if I'm wrong), but it looks like Bobby is telling the truth.

I think no one is to blame, it's just unfortunate. If I agree to a sale on the BST forum, I'm not taking down my listing that minute (especially with this board's reputation of reneging). I mean what can you do? The guy bought the card at 3:30 in the morning the night after to agreeing to a sale.

Not only this, but at $65 minus the $6.50 in fees and $2+ in shipping, Bobby did lose money. I think that if the email was worded a little different (as in, Sorry dude, I screwed up and sold this on ebay also. I forgot to take it down. Here is the link & I hope you understand.) Craig seems like a reasonable guy & I don't want to speak for him, but it seems like he would have understood. I think how it played out did seem shady. I've bought/sold with Bobby before so I know he's a good guy also.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by t206fix

Not only this, but at $65 minus the $6.50 in fees and $2+ in shipping, Bobby did lose money. I think that if the email was worded a little different (as in, Sorry dude, I screwed up and sold this on ebay also. I forgot to take it down. Here is the link & I hope you understand.) Craig seems like a reasonable guy & I don't want to speak for him, but it seems like he would have understood. I think how it played out did seem shady. I've bought/sold with Bobby before so I know he's a good guy also.

That sounds like he didn't lose any money. The forum price was $58 and the price for the card on Ebay minus the fees mentioned was $58.50.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by howard38

That sounds like he didn't lose any money. The forum price was $58 and the price for the card on Ebay minus the fees mentioned was $58.50.

I mean, I guess if we're getting real technical it comes out to $8.04 worth of fees.

$65.00 x 9% ebay fees = $5.85
$65.00 x 2.9% paypal fees + $.30 = $2.19

The money doesn't matter. The whole situation was just unfortunate and the message written could have been done better.