T206 PSA 1s -- Top 10 in Value

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Posted By: T206Collector

Can we get an agreement on the Top 10 T206 cards in terms of value in PSA 1 status? So, if you wanted to put together the 10 most valuable T206 cards in PSA 1 condition, what would they be?

The top 4 are obviously the big four (Wagner, Doyle, Plank, Magie), but the next 6 are a bit tougher to delineate. I would guess Demmitt and O'Hara would be next in line, but at what point do the cards of Cobb (Green back) or Young (Portrait) intersect with the lesser variations of Elberfeld (Washington) and Smith (Chicago and Boston) or Lundgren (Chicago) in PSA 1 condition?

1. Wagner
2. Doyle
3. Plank
4. Magie
5. O'Hara
6. Demmitt
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???
10. ???

Thoughts?


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Posted By: barrysloate

The four Cobbs?

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Posted By: Marc S.

on how you define the question.

Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back should be included [regardless of the debate as to whether or not it is actually a T206 card]

What about cards with tough backs? I have paid well over $1k for common cards with Drum and Broadleaf 460 backs, for instance.

For common back, it is a very different question.

Marc

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Posted By: peter ullman

I guess the color "variations" may be on the list?

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Posted By: Steven Finley

Being that my favorite card is my SCG 20 Mathewson Portrait, I'm going to throw in a vote for it. It might not be the most valuable but it's in my top Ten.

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Posted By: Doug

I'd say #7 Ty Cobb-green portrait, #8 Ty Cobb-bat on, #9 Ty Cobb-bat off, #10 Walter Johnson-portrait.

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Posted By: Scott Levy

IMO.....the next four are all Ty Cobb.

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Posted By: Adam

While not "Top 10," I think it's worth noting the T206 Lajoies do well in PSA 1.

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Posted By: Dave H.

I agree with Scott and Barry.

7.Cobb-Green, 8.Cobb-Bat On, 9.Cobb-Bat Off, 10.Cobb-Red.

That is until you start the discussion of the rare back variations--which honestly becomes a different question all together.

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Posted By: PC

Totally agree that the four Cobbs are next on the list ...

7. Cobb -- green green portrait
8. Cobb -- bat on
9. Cobb -- bat off
10. Cobb -- red portrait

If you want to expand the list to include four more ...

11. Elberfeld -- Washington
12. Young -- portrait
13. Mathewson -- portrait
14. Johnson -- portrait

In that order.

Those would be the most expensive 14 T206s. After this, you get into questions whether Tris Speaker is worth more than the Young/glove or the Matty white cap, etc.

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Posted By: Scott T

This would be my Top 10

1. Wagner
2. Doyle
3. Plank
4. Magie
5. O'Hara
6. Demmitt
7. Cobb
8. Cobb
9. Cobb
10. Cobb

I am at 513 of 524...take away the ten cards above and that puts a low grade Kid Elberfeld - Washington - Portrait directly in my cross hairs!

Scott

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Posted By: Scot

7. Cobb Green
8. Cobb Bat On
9. Cobb Bat Off

After that it is close between ...

Cobb Red
Elberfeld Washington
Johnson Portrait
Matty Portrait
Young Portrait

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

One question would be are we talking about just fronts, or cards...


Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back... no such card in the white border tobacco card set, T206.


As for cards, my thoughts:

1. Wagner
2. Doyle
3. Plank
4. Magie
5. O'Hara
6. Demmitt
7. any Drum back
8. any Broad Leaf 460 back
9. Cobb green
10. any Uzit back


And for card fronts:

1. Wagner
2. Doyle
3. Plank
4. Magie
5. O'Hara
6. Demmitt
7. Cobb green
8. Cobb red
9. Cobb bat off shoulder
10. Cobb bat on shoulder

And why does it double space everything when I edit???

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Posted By: barry arnold

Great thread, Paul.

I think i'm with Scot Reader on this one.
I tend to think that #10 could easily be Elberfeld Washington,with
Cobb red as a tie.

Putting the backs in the mix makes my head spin.

best,

barry

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Posted By: T206Collector

...do you have to go before it starts getting really hairy. Seems like we've had some consensus on the first 10, thanks to the 4 Cobbs. But when do the Lajoie vs. Young vs. Matty vs. Johnson, etc. debates start?


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Posted By: ebrehm

Here are the Top 25 T206's graded PSA 1 (common backs only), ranked according to the most recent sales price recorded in VCP. These are not averages taken over multiple sales, but simply the last price that was paid for each card in PSA 1:

1. Wagner $132,000
2. Plank $21,150
3. Magee $6,087
4. O'Hara St. Louis $1,401
5. Demmitt St. Louis $1,200
6. Cobb portrait green $676
7. Cobb bat off shoulder $462
8. Cobb portrait red $459
9. Cobb bat on shoulder $420
10. Young portrait $315
11. Young glove shows $275
12. Johnson portrait $255
13. Mathewson portrait $234
14. Mathewson dark cap $228
15. Young bare hand shows $200
16. Johnson hands at chest $180
17. Dahlen Brooklyn $138
18. Lajoie portrait $133
19. Speaker $125
20. Mathewson white cap $125
21. Elberfield portrait Washington $123
22. Chance batting $119
23. Keeler portrait $114
24. Lajoie with bat $110
25. Bridwell portrait no cap $105

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Posted By: PC

11. Elberfeld -- Washington
12. Young -- portrait
13. Mathewson -- portrait
14. Johnson -- portrait

I think another tier begins after the top 14.

Hard to say which card is no. 15, 16, 17, etc. ... in that group you have the other two Mattys, Johnson/hands at chest, Young/pitching, etc. Also, at some point you get to Speaker, Lajoie, the team variations (Kleinow, Frank Smith, Lundgren), and the several "missing magenta ink" cards.

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Posted By: ebrehm

And here are the value rankings for PSA 1 according to PSA's Sports Market Report:

1. Wagner $175,000
2. Plank $9,000
3. Magie $3,750
4. O'Hara St. Louis $975
5. Demmitt St. Louis $800
6. Cobb green $600
7. Cobb bat on $300
8. Cobb bat off $275
9. Cobb red $240
10. Elberfield Washington $175
11. Johnson portrait $170
12. Mathewson portrait $170
13. Young portrait $170
14. Johnson hands at chest $145
15. Mathewson white cap $140
16. Young bare hand $140
17. Mathewson dark cap $135
18. Young glove shows $135
19. Speaker $100
20. Kleinow Boston $65
21. Lajoie portrait $65
22. Keeler portrait $60
23. Keeler with bat $60
24. Lajoie with bat $60
25. Lundgren Chicago NL $60

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Posted By: PC

Looks like the Doyle Nat'l is so rare that it isn't even on the VCP or SMR radar.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

VCP has all the answers--at least most of them.

How would the rankings be for psa 8--I imagine a lot different as pop would come into play--even though price may be down figure a pop 1 common has a value of $8,000 plus.

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Posted By: ebrehm

Most recent sales of each T206 card in PSA 8, as recorded in VCP:

1.Wagner (Honus) $2,800,000.00
2.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Glove Shows) $37,230.00
3.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Portrait) $33,899.90
4.Cobb (Bat On Shoulder) $31,200.00
5.Keeler (Portrait) $30,792.00
6.Mathewson (Portrait) $25,468.10
7.Collins (Philadelphia) $18,704.80
8.Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder) $17,985.70
9.Speaker $16,800.00
10.Cobb (Portrait, Red Background) $16,800.00
11.Johnson (Portrait) $16,000.00
12.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Bare Hand Shows) $13,901.20
13.Evers (With Bat, Cubs On Shirt) $13,145.00
14.Lajoie (Portrait) $11,814.00
15.Camnitz (Arm At Side) $11,053.80
16.Reulbach (Glove Showing) $10,100.00
17.Mathewson (White Cap) $10,024.80
18.Steinfeldt (With Bat) $9,086.00
19.Tinker (Hands On Knees) $8,922.95
20.Evers (Portrait) $8,878.00
21.Johnson (Pitching) $8,856.29
22.Congalton $8,366.40
23.Joss (Portrait) $7,928.90
24.Chance (Portrait, Red Background) $7,750.00
25.Kroh $7,700.00
26.Perring $7,700.00
27.Shannon $7,690.80
28.Tinker (Bat Off Shoulder) $7,364.90
29.Bender (Portrait) $7,200.00
30.Collins (Minneapolis) $7,161.60
31.Isbell $6,800.00
32.Ritter $6,700.00
33.Breitenstein $6,520.60
34.Lajoie (Throwing) $6,086.50
35.Chance (Batting) $6,082.80
36.Revelle $6,011.05
37.Willis (Throwing) $5,975.00
38.Lajoie (With Bat) $5,955.52
39.Adkins $5,801.55
40.Rockenfeld $5,714.40
41.Tannehill (Jesse)(Washington) $5,702.99
42.Walsh $5,676.25
43.Donovan (Portrait) $5,676.00
44.Raymond $5,656.00
45.McGraw (Portrait, No Cap) $5,626.54
46.Kruger (Krueger) $5,512.00
47.Waddell (Portrait) $5,512.00
48.Clarke (Fred)(Holding Bat) $5,462.50
49.Smith (Frank, Chicago, White Cap) $5,401.99
50.Clarke (Fred)(Portrait) $5,381.00
51.Smith (Carlos, Shreveport) $5,100.00
52.McGlynn $5,100.00
53.Huggins (Hands At Mouth) $4,922.08
54.Sullivan $4,906.80
55.Williams $4,900.00
56.White (Jack, Buffalo) $4,780.00
57.Duffy $4,750.00
58.Helm $4,674.00
59.Bastian $4,674.00
60.Overall (Hands Waist Level) $4,674.00
61.Hall $4,554.00
62.Brown (Mordecai)(Cubs On Shirt) $4,554.00
63.Waddell (Throwing) $4,539.89
64.Mullin (With Bat) $4,494.44
65.McGraw (Portrait, With Cap) $4,374.53
66.Bowerman $4,350.00
67.McGraw (Finger In Air) $4,327.53
68.Doyle (Larry)(Throwing) $4,292.40
69.Brown (George)(Chicago) $4,251.99
70.Anderson $4,249.00
71.Foster $4,249.00
72.Molesworth $4,249.00
73.Ryan $4,248.80
74.Evers (With Bat, Chicago On Shirt) $4,182.50
75.Stahl (Glove Shows) $4,150.00
76.White (Doc, Chicago, Portrait) $4,140.00
77.Powell $4,140.00
78.Lobert $4,083.33
79.Jennings (Portrait) $4,042.00
80.Marquard (Portrait) $3,976.20
81.Crawford (With Bat) $3,950.01
82.Konetchy (Glove Near Ground) $3,902.40
83.Elberfeld (Washington, Fielding) $3,900.00
84.Barry (Jack) $3,862.00
85.Fritz $3,841.46
86.Mitchell (Fred, Toronto) $3,751.00
87.Smith (Happy, Brooklyn) $3,738.00
88.Carr $3,686.00
89.McGinnity $3,674.00
90.Huggins (Portrait) $3,614.30
91.Ball (Cleveland) $3,602.06
92.Pelty (Horizontal Photo) $3,528.78
93.Bliss $3,510.90
94.Violat (Viola) $3,500.00
95.Konetchy (Glove Above Head) $3,449.80
96.Shaw (Al, St. Louis) $3,421.00
97.Merkle (Portrait) $3,400.00
98.Brown (Mordecai)(Portrait) $3,351.00
99.Leifield (Pitching) $3,346.00
100.Westlake $3,346.00
101.Byrne $3,316.55
102.Hannifan (Hannifin) $3,302.06
103.Keeler (Batting) $3,285.30
104.Beaumont $3,254.00
105.Jennings (One Hand Showing) $3,231.25
106.Spencer $3,224.40
107.Dahlen (Boston) $3,190.00
108.Arellanes $3,190.00
109.Becker $3,190.00
110.Bresnahan (Portrait) $3,151.00
111.McGinley $3,151.00
112.Hemphill $3,110.00
113.Criger $3,110.00
114.Malarkey $3,107.00
115.Bay $3,107.00
116.Wallace $3,101.00
117.King $3,050.00
118.Bergen (Catching) $3,048.00
119.Marquard (Hands At Thighs) $3,037.20
120.Schirm $3,035.00
121.Powers $3,006.73
122.Moran (Pat, Chicago) $2,995.00
123.Chase (Throwing, Dark Cap) $2,990.00
124.Abstein $2,989.73
125.Guiheen $2,985.68
126.McQuillan (With Bat) $2,939.50
127.Davis (Phila. H. Davis On Front) $2,937.50
128.McLean $2,931.60
129.Camnitz (Arms Folded) $2,931.60
130.Fiene (Portrait) $2,901.08
131.Lattimore $2,875.00
132.Clymer $2,872.88
133.Hunter $2,872.88
134.Phillippe $2,868.00
135.Jordan (Brookyn, Batting) $2,868.00
136.Carey $2,868.00
137.Greminger $2,849.00
138.Jones (Tom, St. Louis) $2,827.00
139.Rucker (Portrait) $2,827.00
140.Cravath $2,766.90
141.Birmingham $2,760.00
142.Thornton $2,752.00
143.Knight (Portrait) $2,750.01
144.Goode (Good) $2,687.59
145.Hummel $2,677.00
146.Kling $2,669.00
147.Livingstone (Livingston) $2,665.20
148.Spade $2,665.20
149.Overall (Hand Face Level) $2,653.63
150.Krause (Portrait) $2,650.00
151.Conroy (With Bat) $2,643.75
152.Perdue $2,637.00
153.Dunn (Jack, Baltimore) $2,636.70
154.Miller (Dallas) $2,629.00
155.Griffith (Portrait) $2,629.00
156.Hoblitzell $2,617.89
157.LaPorte $2,612.02
158.Killian (Portrait) $2,570.00
159.Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) $2,551.99
160.Joss (Pitching) $2,510.40
161.Cicotte $2,500.00
162.Bergen (Batting) $2,500.00
163.Orth $2,467.50
164.Bates $2,422.80
165.Merritt $2,415.00
166.Murray (Portrait) $2,407.65
167.Crandall (Portrait, No Cap) $2,397.00
168.Willett (Bat on shoulder) $2,390.00
169.Wagner (Heinie)(Bat On Left Shoulder) $2,390.00
170.Chase (Portrait, Blue Background) $2,375.00
171.Summers $2,371.20
172.Manning (Pitching) $2,370.00
173.Bradley (With Bat) $2,370.00
174.Meyers $2,350.00
175.Bridwell (Portrait, With Cap) $2,305.00
176.Doyle (Larry)(With Bat) $2,280.00
177.Cree $2,276.06
178.Murphy (Batting) $2,270.50
179.Schmidt (Portrait) $2,250.00
180.Taylor $2,247.22
181.Barry (Shad) $2,225.00
182.Conroy (Fielding) $2,206.89
183.Davidson $2,202.00
184.Herzog (Boston) $2,181.00
185.Hinchman (Toledo) $2,178.45
186.Atz $2,175.00
187.Lipe $2,158.48
188.Wright $2,158.00
189.Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves) $2,155.00
190.Mowrey $2,155.00
191.Freeman $2,155.00
192.Moeller $2,155.00
193.Stephens $2,151.00
194.Downs $2,151.00
195.Gaspar $2,115.00
196.McCormick $2,115.00
197.Stovall (Batting) $2,115.00
198.Stahl (No Glove Shows) $2,050.00
199.Davis (G.) $2,045.20
200.Jordan (A.O., Atlanta) $2,034.00
201.Myers (Fielding) $2,031.50
202.Mattern $2,031.50
203.McElveen $2,028.99
204.McIntyre (Detroit) $2,026.00
205.Pastorius $2,024.00
206.Jacklitsch $2,024.00
207.Jones (Davy, Detroit) $2,000.00
208.Charles $1,997.50
209.Oldring (Fielding) $1,995.00
210.Overall (Portrait) $1,995.00
211.Lake (St. Louis, No Ball In Hand) $1,995.00
212.Owen $1,975.00
213.Jones (F., Hands At Hips) $1,971.00
214.Maddox $1,965.00
215.Burke $1,959.00
216.Manning (Batting) $1,959.00
217.Doyle (Larry)(Portrait) $1,955.00
218.Murray (Batting) $1,955.00
219.Hartsel $1,955.00
220.Covaleski (Coveleski) $1,955.00
221.Schlafly $1,936.00
222.Jordan (Brookyn, Portrait) $1,912.00
223.Hulswitt $1,868.00
224.Rhodes $1,824.00
225.Demmitt (New York) $1,819.20
226.McQuillan (Ball In Hand) $1,819.20
227.Burns $1,813.00
228.Chase (Throwing, White Cap) $1,800.00
229.Starr $1,792.50
230.Flanagan $1,792.50
231.Quinn $1,783.00
232.Downey (Batting) $1,780.00
233.Brain $1,780.00
234.Smith (Heinie, Buffalo) $1,780.00
235.Jones (F., Portrait) $1,780.00
236.Devore $1,780.00
237.Engle $1,780.00
238.Warhop $1,780.00
239.Tannehill (Lee)(Chicago, L. Tannehill On Front) $1,780.00
240.Graham (St. Louis) $1,780.00
241.Groom $1,775.00
242.Gray $1,736.65
243.Krause (Pitching) $1,726.00
244.Delehanty (Jim) $1,716.37
245.Merkle (Throwing) $1,691.00
246.Mullin (Horizontal) $1,680.00
247.Wilhelm (Hands At Chest) $1,673.00
248.Gibson $1,673.00
249.Steinfeldt (Portrait) $1,653.60
250.Tenney $1,653.60
251.Bell (Pitching Follow Through) $1,647.11
252.Hoffman (Danny-S.L.) $1,647.11
253.Dougherty (Arm In Air) $1,592.50
254.Rossman $1,569.00
255.Pfeister (Pfiester, Throwing) $1,560.00
256.Seymour (Batting) $1,559.25
257.Criss $1,553.50
258.Weimer $1,553.50
259.Rhoades (Right Arm Extended) $1,553.50
260.Nicholls (Hands On Knees) $1,553.50
261.Ball (New York) $1,551.89
262.Ames (Portrait) $1,551.11
263.Fiene (Throwing) $1,531.55
264.Liebhardt $1,525.00
265.Davis (Phila. Davis On Front) $1,514.89
266.Barbeau $1,510.00
267.Willetts (Throwing) $1,500.00
268.Ewing $1,495.00
269.Turner $1,495.00
270.Smith (Frank, Chicago, F. Smith On Front) $1,495.00
271.Fromme $1,495.00
272.Donovan (Throwing) $1,485.00
273.Kiernan $1,463.00
274.Donlin (Seated) $1,366.80
275.Dougherty (Portrait) $1,350.07
276.Ferris $1,350.00
277.Butler $1,325.01
278.Armbruster $1,314.50
279.Hahn $1,314.50
280.Rucker (Throwing) $1,282.00
281.Chance (Portrait, Yellow Background) $1,276.33
282.Schmidt (Throwing) $1,269.99
283.Wiltse (Portrait, No Cap) $1,256.00
284.McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) $1,236.00
285.Dygert $1,227.00
286.Donahue (Donohue) $1,227.00
287.Nattress $1,225.00
288.Stovall (Portrait) $1,225.00
289.Kleinow (New York, With Bat) $1,225.00
290.Sheckard (No Glove Showing) $1,225.00
291.Strang $1,225.00
292.Ritchey $1,212.00
293.Burchell $1,186.95
294.Slagle $1,184.00
295.Jackson $1,181.21
296.Durham $1,156.13
297.O'Leary (Hands On Knees) $1,147.00
298.Schlei (Batting) $1,140.00
299.Milligan $1,140.00
300.Hayden $1,136.77
301.Killian (Pitching) $1,130.22
302.Delehanty (Frank) $1,129.20
303.Payne $1,127.00
304.Lindaman $1,125.00
305.Rhoades (Hands At Chest) $1,115.07
306.Pelty (Vertical Photo) $1,091.35
307.Karger $1,080.00
308.Ames (Hands Above Head) $1,033.00
309.Unglaub $1,027.02
310.Hinchman (Cleveland)Bill $1,025.00
311.Lennox $1,025.00
312.White (Doc, Chicago, Pitching) $1,025.00
313.Shipke $1,013.00
314.Ford $1,012.85
315.Leach (Portrait) $1,009.99
316.Bradley (Portrait) $1,006.09
317.Phelan $999.99
318.O'Leary (Portrait) $932.40
319.Seymour (Portrait) $898.88
320.Alperman $890.00
321.Pfeister (Pfiester, Seated) $888.00
322.Abbott $864.12
323.Stone $803.00
324.Easterly $798.00
325.Schlei (Catching) $761.56
326.Miller (Pittsburgh) $664.32
327.Dineen $258.50
328.Stanage $108.10

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Now if that long price listing was for PSA 1's, then we'd have something.

Series 150 cards were subjected to a bit more wear than series 460 cards. The series 460 cards are slightly more likely to be found as an '8' than series 150's.

The likelihood of any particular card being available as a '1' is more consistent than comparing '8's.

So if that price list was cranked out for PSA 1's, then it would be more meaningful.

FW

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Posted By: Phil

The most interesting part of that list is not at the top, but at the bottom. A PSA8 Stanage only went for $108.10? Could that be an error?

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

The last Oscar Stanage was a PSA 8 OC that sold for $108.10 at Mile High Card Co. in Oct 2008. Apparently VCP doesn't distinguish on qualifiers -- although they do mention that the card was an 8 OC in the "Extra" column next to the listed price. Previously the Stanage card in PSA 8 sold for $2,901 in a Goodwin auction in Oct 2006.

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Posted By: ebrehm

Here is the whole list of most recent T206 sales in PSA 1, as reported in VCP:

1.Wagner (Honus) $132,000.00
2.Plank $21,150.00
3.Magee (Magie) $6,086.50
4.O'Hara (St. Louis) $1,401.11
5.Demmitt (St. Louis) $1,200.00
6.Cobb (Portrait, Green Background) $676.00
7.Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder) $461.66
8.Cobb (Portrait, Red Background) $458.21
9.Cobb (Bat On Shoulder) $420.00
10.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Portrait) $315.00
11.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Glove Shows) $274.99
12.Johnson (Portrait) $255.00
13.Mathewson (Portrait) $233.83
14.Mathewson (Dark Cap) $228.05
15.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Bare Hand Shows) $200.00
16.Johnson (Pitching) $179.50
17.Dahlen (Brooklyn) $137.50
18.Lajoie (Portrait) $132.85
19.Speaker $124.72
20.Mathewson (White Cap) $124.50
21.Elberfeld (Washington, Portrait) $122.50
22.Chance (Batting) $118.73
23.Keeler (Portrait) $113.61
24.Lajoie (With Bat) $110.01
25.Bridwell (Portrait, No Cap) $104.49
26.Gandil $100.00
27.Tinker (Portrait) $92.01
28.Lajoie (Throwing) $82.88
29.Tinker (Bat On Shoulder) $79.99
30.Evers (Portrait) $78.99
31.Brown (Mordecai)(Portrait) $77.99
32.Greminger $74.00
33.Willis (Portrait) $70.99
34.Tinker (Hands On Knees) $68.99
35.Keeler (Batting) $67.66
36.McGraw (Portrait, With Cap) $66.37
37.Magee (Portrait) $66.00
38.McGinnity $65.01
39.Smith (Frank, Chicago & Boston) $61.53
40.McGraw (Portrait, No Cap) $61.01
41.Flick $60.99
42.Hooker $59.99
43.Jennings (Portrait) $59.21
44.Otey $59.00
45.Crawford (With Bat) $57.31
46.Griffith (Batting) $56.99
47.Collins (Philadelphia) $56.98
48.Walsh $56.90
49.Stark $56.55
50.Clarke (Fred)(Holding Bat) $56.21
51.Waddell (Throwing) $56.01
52.Huggins (Portrait) $56.00
53.Dahlen (Boston) $55.00
54.Hart (Jim, Montgomery) $54.35
55.Baker $54.00
56.Clarke (Fred)(Portrait) $52.21
57.Evers (With Bat, Cubs On Shirt) $52.09
58.Brown (Mordecai)(Cubs On Shirt) $52.09
59.Chesbro $52.00
60.Brown (Mordecai)(Chicago On Shirt) $51.77
61.Paige $51.50
62.Chance (Portrait, Yellow Background) $51.00
63.Smith (Carlos, Shreveport) $51.00
64.Fritz $51.00
65.Orth $50.99
66.Helm $50.16
67.Kleinow (Boston) $50.01
68.Breitenstein $49.98
69.Bender (Pitching, Trees In Background) $49.75
70.Pelty (Horizontal Photo) $49.50
71.Rockenfeld $49.16
72.Evers (With Bat, Chicago On Shirt) $49.00
73.Manion $48.11
74.Revelle $47.99
75.Bender (Portrait) $47.89
76.Collins (Minneapolis) $47.00
77.Crawford (Throwing) $47.00
78.Bender (Pitching, No Trees In Background) $46.99
79.Tinker (Bat Off Shoulder) $46.89
80.Lundgren (Chicago) $46.77
81.Durham $46.45
82.Willis (With Bat) $46.00
83.Hart (Bill, Little Rock) $46.00
84.Cicotte $46.00
85.Cranston $45.99
86.Willis (Throwing) $45.55
87.Ryan $45.00
88.Wallace $44.98
89.Chance (Portrait, Red Background) $44.88
90.Joss (Portrait) $44.00
91.Smith (Sid, Atlanta) $43.54
92.Seitz $43.00
93.O'Hara (New York) $42.99
94.Joss (Pitching) $42.99
95.Shaughnessy $42.99
96.Bresnahan (Portrait) $42.00
97.Ellam $41.88
98.Thornton $41.60
99.Pattee $41.01
100.Coles $41.00
101.Kiernan $41.00
102.White (Foley, Houston) $41.00
103.Delehanty (Jim) $40.00
104.Lundgren (Kansas City) $40.00
105.Molesworth $39.97
106.Duffy $39.00
107.Reagan $38.77
108.Marquard (Hands At Thighs) $38.77
109.Jennings (One Hand Showing) $37.68
110.Hickman $37.50
111.Marquard (Portrait) $37.00
112.McCauley $36.60
113.Bastian $36.25
114.Phelps $36.00
115.Griffith (Portrait) $36.00
116.Wheat $35.99
117.Davis (G.) $35.00
118.McGraw (Finger In Air) $34.89
119.Howard (Chicago) $34.09
120.Bay $34.00
121.Guiheen $33.32
122.Rucker (Portrait) $33.01
123.Lake (New York) $33.00
124.Thebo $32.99
125.Bresnahan (With Bat) $32.99
126.Hoblitzell $32.88
127.Malarkey $32.33
128.Lobert $32.00
129.Unglaub $32.00
130.McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) $31.01
131.Lentz (Sentz) $31.00
132.Lipe $31.00
133.Perring $31.00
134.Jennings (Both Hands Showing) $31.00
135.Oberlin $31.00
136.Jordan (A.O., Atlanta) $31.00
137.Mullin (With Bat) $31.00
138.Bowerman $31.00
139.King $31.00
140.Taylor $30.99
141.Wagner (Heinie)(Bat On Left Shoulder) $30.00
142.Donlin (With Bat) $30.00
143.Perdue $30.00
144.Chase (Portrait, Pink Background) $29.99
145.Reulbach (Glove Showing) $29.99
146.Howard (Savannah) $29.99
147.Doyle (Joe)(N.Y. Hands Above Head) $29.05
148.McGraw (Glove At Hip) $29.04
149.Tannehill (Lee)(Chicago, Tannehill On Front) $29.00
150.Williams $29.00
151.Doyle (Larry)(With Bat) $28.99
152.Carey $28.00
153.White (Jack, Buffalo) $28.00
154.Magee (With Bat) $28.00
155.Kelley $28.00
156.Beckley $27.77
157.Huggins (Hands At Mouth) $27.66
158.Sweeney (Jeff)(New York) $27.63
159.Stone $27.51
160.Murphy (Throwing) $27.17
161.Snodgrass (Catching) $27.11
162.Thomas $26.99
163.Reulbach (No Glove Showing) $26.88
164.Schulte (Front View) $26.77
165.Brown (George)(Washington) $26.22
166.Schulte (Back View) $26.09
167.Pastorius $26.01
168.Sheckard (No Glove Showing) $26.01
169.Gilbert $26.00
170.Brain $26.00
171.Schirm $26.00
172.Marquard (Pitching Follow-Through) $26.00
173.Spade $26.00
174.Kleinow (New York, Catching) $26.00
175.Leach (Bending Over) $26.00
176.Westlake $26.00
177.Schlei (Catching) $26.00
178.LaPorte $26.00
179.Stahl (Glove Shows) $26.00
180.Merkle (Portrait) $25.10
181.Lumley $25.01
182.Chase (Holding Trophy) $25.00
183.Downey (Batting) $25.00
184.Clymer $24.95
185.Jones (Davy, Detroit) $24.71
186.Covaleski (Coveleski) $24.50
187.Geyer $24.50
188.Cravath $24.49
189.Anderson $24.41
190.Niles $24.35
191.Bergen (Batting) $24.27
192.Warhop $24.06
193.Bescher (Hands In Air) $23.51
194.Bridwell (Portrait, With Cap) $23.50
195.Fromme $23.50
196.Charles $23.50
197.Hofman (Solly) $23.50
198.Murray (Portrait) $23.49
199.Shaw (Al, St. Louis) $23.48
200.Carrigan $23.27
201.Doyle (Larry)(Portrait) $23.26
202.Davis (Phila. Davis On Front) $23.20
203.Berger $23.13
204.Schmidt (Throwing) $23.01
205.Burch (Batting) $23.00
206.Miller (Pittsburgh) $23.00
207.Chase (Portrait, Blue Background) $22.72
208.Mullen (Mullin) $22.50
209.Jordan (Brookyn, Batting) $22.50
210.Gray $22.50
211.Marshall $22.50
212.Powell $22.50
213.Criss $22.50
214.Donahue (Donohue) $22.50
215.Bradley (With Bat) $22.50
216.Waddell (Portrait) $22.50
217.Paskert $22.35
218.Seymour (Portrait) $22.35
219.Dineen $22.25
220.Snodgrass (Batting) $22.23
221.Bradley (Portrait) $22.22
222.Jones (F., Portrait) $22.17
223.Shipke $22.13
224.Schlei (Portrait) $22.13
225.Crandall (Portrait, With Cap) $22.13
226.Downey (Fielding) $22.13
227.McBride $22.13
228.Mowrey $22.13
229.Dubuc $22.13
230.Burns $22.13
231.Graham (St. Louis) $22.02
232.Smith (Heinie, Buffalo) $22.00
233.Hemphill $22.00
234.Conroy (With Bat) $22.00
235.Brown (George)(Chicago) $21.99
236.Bransfield $21.61
237.O'Brien $21.55
238.Shannon $21.55
239.Starr $21.51
240.Bell (Pitching Follow Through) $21.51
241.Ford $21.51
242.Rhoades (Right Arm Extended) $21.51
243.Bescher (Portrait) $21.51
244.Bates $21.51
245.Donlin (Seated) $21.51
246.Butler $21.51
247.Barry (Shad) $21.51
248.Downs $21.51
249.Oakes $21.51
250.Dooin $21.50
251.Stovall (Portrait) $21.50
252.Dougherty (Portrait) $21.50
253.Sheckard (Glove Showing) $21.50
254.Ferris $21.50
255.Chase (Throwing, Dark Cap) $21.50
256.Herzog (Boston) $21.49
257.Rhodes $21.45
258.Smith (Happy, Brooklyn) $21.07
259.Chase (Throwing, White Cap) $21.04
260.Tannehill (Lee)(Chicago, L. Tannehill On Front) $21.02
261.Dunn (Jack, Baltimore) $21.02
262.Leifield (Pitching) $21.01
263.Mullin (Horizontal) $21.00
264.Hayden $21.00
265.Groom $21.00
266.Sweeney (Bill)(Boston) $20.99
267.O'Leary (Hands On Knees) $20.70
268.Tenney $20.70
269.Moran (Pat, Chicago) $20.57
270.Pfeister (Pfiester, Throwing) $20.56
271.Randall $20.55
272.Parent $20.55
273.Becker $20.51
274.Konetchy (Glove Near Ground) $20.51
275.Hartsel $20.51
276.Donlin (Fielding) $20.51
277.Merritt $20.50
278.Pelty (Vertical Photo) $20.50
279.O'Neil $20.50
280.Doolin $20.50
281.Kisinger $20.50
282.Spencer $20.50
283.Elberfeld (New York) $20.50
284.Kleinow (New York, With Bat) $20.50
285.Leifield (Batting) $20.37
286.Clancy (Clancey) $20.27
287.McGann $20.07
288.Burch (Fielding) $20.01
289.Stovall (Batting) $20.01
290.Needham $20.00
291.McIntyre (Detroit) $20.00
292.Pfeffer $20.00
293.Campbell $20.00
294.Nichols (Nicholls, Batting) $19.99
295.Liebhardt $19.99
296.Bergen (Catching) $19.99
297.Wilhelm (Hands At Chest) $19.99
298.McQuillan (With Bat) $19.99
299.Phillippe $19.95
300.Clark (Josh) $19.61
301.Dougherty (Arm In Air) $19.61
302.McQuillan (Ball In Hand) $19.51
303.Donovan (Portrait) $19.50
304.Myers (Batting) $19.50
305.White (Doc, Chicago, Pitching) $19.50
306.Pickering $19.50
307.Chappelle $19.49
308.Murphy (Batting) $19.49
309.Schaefer (Detroit) $19.48
310.Milligan $19.38
311.Arndt $19.26
312.Blackburne $19.13
313.Wilson $19.13
314.Arellanes $19.00
315.Crandall (Portrait, No Cap) $19.00
316.Smith (Frank, Chicago, F. Smith On Front) $18.99
317.Flanagan $18.99
318.Doyle (Larry)(Throwing) $18.77
319.Moeller $18.66
320.Graham-Peaches(Boston) $18.51
321.Freeman $18.51
322.Beck $18.50
323.Davis (Phila. H. Davis On Front) $18.50
324.Hinchman (Toledo) $18.50
325.Ritter $18.50
326.Smith (Frank, Chicago, White Cap) $18.50
327.Lennox $18.50
328.Lord $18.50
329.Street (Portrait) $18.50
330.Young (Irv)(Minneapolis) $18.50
331.Adkins $18.50
332.Ganzel $18.49
333.Leach (Portrait) $18.49
334.Byrne $18.49
335.Jacklitsch $18.38
336.Rudolph $18.27
337.Bush $18.20
338.Beaumont $18.06
339.Schlafly $18.05
340.Willett (Bat on shoulder) $18.00
341.McLean $18.00
342.Stephens $17.99
343.Wagner (Heinie)(Bat On Right Shoulder) $17.86
344.Jones (F., Hands At Hips) $17.51
345.Zimmerman $17.51
346.Purtell $17.51
347.Gibson $17.51
348.Schaefer (Washington) $17.51
349.Kruger (Krueger) $17.51
350.Hoffman (Danny-S.L.) $17.51
351.Milan $17.50
352.Barbeau $17.50
353.Mitchell (Mike, Cincinnati) $17.50
354.Tannehill (Jesse)(Washington) $17.50
355.Rucker (Throwing) $17.50
356.Miller (Dallas) $17.50
357.Nattress $17.50
358.Demmitt (New York) $17.50
359.Birmingham $17.50
360.Pfeister (Pfiester, Seated) $17.49
361.Howell (Portrait) $17.05
362.Steinfeldt (Portrait) $17.00
363.Overall (Hands Waist Level) $16.94
364.Easterly $16.61
365.Livingstone (Livingston) $16.61
366.Clarke (J.J.) $16.61
367.Thielman $16.51
368.Schlei (Batting) $16.51
369.McIntyre (Brooklyn) $16.51
370.Ganley $16.51
371.Burke $16.50
372.Jackson $16.50
373.Doolan (Fielding) $16.50
374.Overall (Hand Face Level) $16.50
375.Engle $16.50
376.Lavender $16.49
377.Powers $16.33
378.Gaspar $16.25
379.Hinchman (Cleveland)Bill $16.17
380.Ferguson $16.05
381.Summers $16.05
382.McGinley $16.03
383.Armbruster $16.02
384.Camnitz (Arm At Side) $16.02
385.Barger $16.02
386.Abbott $16.02
387.Camnitz (Arms Folded) $16.00
388.Abstein $16.00
389.Mattern $15.79
390.Kling $15.75
391.Ewing $15.71
392.Seymour (Throwing) $15.55
393.Frill $15.55
394.Alperman $15.53
395.Bliss $15.50
396.Raymond $15.50
397.Kroh $15.50
398.Wiltse (Pitching) $15.50
399.Brashear $15.50
400.Fletcher $15.50
401.Killian (Portrait) $15.50
402.Street (Catching) $15.50
403.Phelan $15.50
404.Moran (Herb, Providence) $15.50
405.Lake (St. Louis, No Ball In Hand) $15.50
406.Latham $15.50
407.Hall $15.50
408.Maloney $15.50
409.Seymour (Batting) $15.50
410.McGlynn $15.50
411.Wiltse (Portrait, No Cap) $15.50
412.Dorner $15.50
413.Nicholls (Hands On Knees) $15.50
414.Carr $15.50
415.Maddox $15.50
416.Ames (Hands At Chest) $15.50
417.Barry (Jack) $15.49
418.Grimshaw $15.49
419.Rhoades (Hands At Chest) $15.08
420.Myers (Fielding) $15.00
421.Poland $15.00
422.Goode (Good) $15.00
423.Hulswitt $14.75
424.Weimer $14.75
425.Jones (Tom, St. Louis) $14.75
426.Hoffman (IZZY-Prov) $14.53
427.Rossman $14.50
428.Krause (Portrait) $14.50
429.Dessau $14.48
430.Meyers $14.26
431.Elberfeld (Washington, Fielding) $14.16
432.McAleese $14.13
433.Knight (With Bat) $14.11
434.Konetchy (Glove Above Head) $14.08
435.Cross $14.05
436.Strang $14.05
437.Hallman $14.00
438.Krause (Pitching) $14.00
439.Slagle $14.00
440.Schmidt (Portrait) $14.00
441.McCormick $13.55
442.Oldring (Fielding) $13.50
443.Manning (Pitching) $13.50
444.Sharpe $13.50
445.Evans $13.50
446.Ames (Hands Above Head) $13.50
447.Batch $13.50
448.Atz $13.49
449.Turner $13.33
450.Doolan (Batting) $13.33
451.Ball (Cleveland) $13.33
452.Owen $13.33
453.Titus $13.33
454.Cassidy $13.33
455.Howell (Hand At Waist) $13.33
456.Stanage $13.30
457.Steinfeldt (With Bat) $13.25
458.Oldring (Batting) $13.13
459.Hahn $13.00
460.Delehanty (Frank) $12.95
461.Merkle (Throwing) $12.75
462.Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves) $12.60
463.Stahl (No Glove Shows) $12.60
464.Dygert $12.51
465.Shaw (Hunky, Providence) $12.51
466.Cree $12.50
467.Ames (Portrait) $12.50
468.Scott $12.50
469.Sullivan $12.50
470.Willetts (Throwing) $12.50
471.Bell (Hands Above Head) $12.50
472.Payne $11.50
473.Mitchell (Fred, Toronto) $11.50
474.Killian (Pitching) $11.49
475.White (Doc, Chicago, Portrait) $10.50
476.Donovan (Throwing) $10.50
477.Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) $10.50
478.Fiene (Portrait) $10.49
479.Quinn $10.33
480.Moriarty $10.33
481.Davidson $10.00
482.Murray (Batting) $10.00
483.Knabe $10.00
484.O'Leary (Portrait) $9.50
485.Manning (Batting) $5.50

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Based on last sale, what is the indicated value of a PSA 8 set of T206 and how many cards do not exist in PSA 8?

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Posted By: ebrehm

The sum of the most recent sales prices listed in VCP for 328 different T206's with common backs in PSA 8 (excluding the Gretzky Wagner) comes to $1,195,184.

According to a T206 population report I downloaded a few months ago, and considering only the cards classified by PSA with "Unknown Back" (now comprising about 65% of the total number of T206's graded by PSA), 501 different T206 cards have been graded PSA 8 at least once, while 29 do not yet exist in PSA 8. I have not looked at the separate reports for the cards that have been classified under the new grading system by back type (Piedmont, Sweet Caporal, Polar Bear, etc.), but I suspect that some of the missing 29 might turn up in one of those.

I wish PSA would provide a population report that aggregates the numbers across all back types for each subject; it would make answering questions like this much easier.

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Posted By: JimB

1. Wagner
2. Doyle NY Natl
3. Cobb/Cobb back
4. Plank
5. Magie
6. O'Hara/ Demmitt
7. Cobb/green
8. Cobb/bat on
9. Cobb/ red
10. Cobb/Bat off

The last two low grade Cobb backs sold for over 60k.
JimB

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Nice listing, Ebrehm. Thanks for posting that. I'm surprised that the Elberfield Washington portrait is so low. And one of the Waddell cards seems quite far down the list.

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Posted By: barry arnold

Frank W.,
I was thinking the same thing about Elberfeld W.
It must have been a bit of a beater, even for a 1.
I'm thinking the Elberfeld at a 1 or sgc 10 usually goes for
around high 200s or low 300s.

best,
barry

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

Here's the Elberfeld Washington that sold for $122.50 last November. The two previous PSA 1 examples recorded in VCP sold for $382.77 and $399.00 in July and August 2007, respectively. Those earlier ones were likely nicer examples, although T206 prices may have been generally higher back then as well.

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I think PSA 2 or 3 would be a better indicator; 1's can be all over the place and the price fluctautes greatly in this grade because of eye appeal and damage to the card.

I will say Elberfeld's (Wash) seem to be going for less than I would have thought these days (I bought mine a couple of years ago, sadly); are the HOF'ers holding value better than T206's of non-HOF'ers that are scarcer?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Agreed, Barry. Thanks for posting that image, Eric. And Dave, I think you are right about a listing of PSA 2s being more indicative of card value. Having mentioned that I can envision that Eric would be back to work on a PSA 2 list. But I have to figure that he's gone far beyond in putting the lists together that he's already posted.

Interesting topic.

FW

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Posted By: Rob

"216. Waddell (Portrait) $22.50"

I am surpirsed so many cards sold for more money then the Rube portrait. Someone got a steal. Although I might be a bit one-sided because i am a Waddell fan!

Rob

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

Assessing card value based on a single sale, even if it is the most recent sale that took place, is somewhat problematic, because of differences in card quality within grade, market movement over time (for the card, the set, and/or the hobby in general), differences in sales/auction venues and participants, and so on. I once asked Bobby Binder to modify the search capabilities at VCP so that all of the sales data for the cards in a set can be returned, not just the most recent figures, but he hasn't gotten round to it yet. At the very least, one could take averages across multiple sales, say within a particular time period, so that differences due to variations in card quality could be smoothed out.

Now when looking at the total value for an entire set, using the last sales price of each card in the set isn't so bad, since you are aggregating across a large number of cards, and thus some of the unusually high and low prices for particular cards will tend to cancel each other out, similar to the effect of using averaged prices for the individual cards themselves.

That is not to say that looking at the last sales price for each card in a set in a particular grade is a meaningless exercise -- while the above listings from VCP highlight some of the anomalies that occur, they still generally match most people's perception of what the relative values should be.

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

Here then is the list of the most recent prices realized for common-back T206's in PSA 2. The preference order for the top-tier Hall of Famers seems to be roughly Cobb - Young - Johnson - Mathewson - Speaker. And compared with the PSA 1 ranking, Elberfeld (Washington) has moved a ways up the list. Also note that the Magie error card is missing from this list; that would be because no PSA 2 example of that card sold during the time VCP has been collecting this data (for about the last three years I believe), at any of the venues that VCP tracks. However VCP does report several SGC 30 examples of the Magie card that sold during that period; the last one went for $13,145 in May 2008.

1.Wagner (Honus) $294,338.00
2.Plank $25,064.40
3.Demmitt (St. Louis) $3,200.00
4.O'Hara (St. Louis) $3,000.00
5.Sweeney (Bill) No B $1,171.20
6.Cobb (Portrait, Green Background) $960.00
7.Cobb (Bat On Shoulder) $660.00
8.Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder) $618.00
9.Cobb (Portrait, Red Background) $611.00
10.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Glove Shows) $406.88
11.Elberfeld (Washington, Portrait) $404.00
12.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Portrait) $367.12
13.Johnson (Portrait) $351.23
14.Mathewson (Portrait) $341.00
15.Young (Cy)(Cleveland, Bare Hand Shows) $317.00
16.Johnson (Pitching) $300.44
17.Mathewson (Dark Cap) $293.00
18.Mathewson (White Cap) $249.99
19.Brown (George)(Washington) $210.00
20.Devlin $199.99
21.Speaker $195.00
22.Dahlen (Brooklyn) $185.50
23.Evers (Portrait) $180.50
24.Lundgren (Chicago) $173.50
25.Lajoie (Portrait) $162.50
26.Smith (Frank, Chicago & Boston) $150.00
27.Tinker (Portrait) $150.00
28.Joss (Portrait) $135.00
29.Wheat $130.00
30.Brown (Mordecai)(Cubs On Shirt) $127.51
31.McGraw (Portrait, No Cap) $125.00
32.Lajoie (Throwing) $122.50
33.Evers (With Bat, Cubs On Shirt) $122.50
34.Lajoie (With Bat) $121.21
35.Jennings (Portrait) $117.50
36.Bernhard $114.50
37.Keeler (Portrait) $112.50
38.Lafitte $107.83
39.Tinker (Bat Off Shoulder) $106.09
40.Bender (Portrait) $102.50
41.Shaughnessy $102.50
42.Chance (Batting) $100.00
43.Doyle (Joe)(N.Y. Hands Above Head) $100.00
44.Brown (Mordecai)(Chicago On Shirt) $96.00
45.Persons $95.00
46.Collins (Philadelphia) $94.22
47.Tinker (Hands On Knees) $92.00
48.Keeler (Batting) $92.00
49.Paige $91.00
50.Brown (Mordecai)(Portrait) $90.11
51.Meyers $89.95
52.Powers $89.06
53.Flick $87.99
54.Waddell (Throwing) $87.78
55.Baker $85.78
56.Chesbro $84.77
57.King $83.00
58.Stark $83.00
59.Tinker (Bat On Shoulder) $82.00
60.Manion $80.99
61.Collins (Minneapolis) $80.23
62.Hooker $78.00
63.Willis (With Bat) $78.00
64.Bastian $78.00
65.Revelle $77.00
66.Gandil $76.99
67.Crawford (With Bat) $76.89
68.Cranston $76.88
69.Chance (Portrait, Red Background) $76.88
70.Carey $76.88
71.Clarke (Fred)(Portrait) $76.75
72.Violat (Viola) $76.00
73.Otey $74.99
74.Lipe $73.66
75.Joss (Pitching) $72.50
76.McGraw (Finger In Air) $72.50
77.Davis (G.) $72.00
78.Evers (With Bat, Chicago On Shirt) $71.56
79.Marquard (Pitching Follow-Through) $71.00
80.Bresnahan (With Bat) $69.95
81.McGraw (Portrait, With Cap) $69.00
82.Helm $67.00
83.Jennings (Both Hands Showing) $66.00
84.Walsh $66.00
85.Smith (Carlos, Shreveport) $65.00
86.Seitz $63.00
87.Hickman $62.88
88.Westlake $62.00
89.Rockenfeld $61.99
90.Bender (Pitching, Trees In Background) $61.88
91.Mullaney $61.00
92.Beckley $60.83
93.McGinnity $60.00
94.Carrigan $59.95
95.Crawford (Throwing) $59.89
96.Orth $59.77
97.Willis (Throwing) $59.76
98.Molesworth $59.15
99.Waddell (Portrait) $58.00
100.Duffy $57.99
101.Marquard (Hands At Thighs) $57.64
102.Howell (Hand At Waist) $57.50
103.Chance (Portrait, Yellow Background) $57.21
104.Howard (Savannah) $56.99
105.Adkins $56.88
106.Fritz $56.00
107.Willis (Portrait) $56.00
108.Demmitt (New York) $56.00
109.McGraw (Glove At Hip) $54.89
110.Bay $54.88
111.Hart (Jim, Montgomery) $54.67
112.Wilhelm (With Bat) $53.10
113.Schulte (Front View) $52.75
114.Chase (Portrait, Blue Background) $52.50
115.Sheckard (Glove Showing) $52.00
116.Brown (George)(Chicago) $52.00
117.Marquard (Portrait) $52.00
118.Jordan (A.O., Atlanta) $52.00
119.Reagan $52.00
120.Ganzel $51.99
121.Magee (Portrait) $51.01
122.Cree $51.00
123.Breitenstein $51.00
124.Beaumont $50.00
125.Slagle $50.00
126.Chase (Throwing, Dark Cap) $50.00
127.Bender (Pitching, No Trees In Background) $49.99
128.Griffith (Batting) $49.95
129.Hofman (Solly) $49.95
130.Kleinow (New York, Catching) $49.18
131.Thomas $49.09
132.Foster $49.04
133.Griffith (Portrait) $48.77
134.Lentz (Sentz) $48.55
135.Cicotte $48.55
136.Thornton $48.00
137.Smith (Sid, Atlanta) $48.00
138.Taylor $47.99
139.Greminger $47.04
140.Kleinow (Boston) $47.00
141.Ryan $47.00
142.Kiernan $47.00
143.Kelley $46.78
144.McCauley $46.00
145.Ellam $45.04
146.Shannon $45.00
147.Chase (Portrait, Pink Background) $44.88
148.Huggins (Hands At Mouth) $44.85
149.Huggins (Portrait) $44.11
150.McElveen $43.50
151.Merkle (Portrait) $43.12
152.Delehanty (Jim) $43.00
153.Pelty (Vertical Photo) $43.00
154.Miller (Dallas) $43.00
155.Bresnahan (Portrait) $43.00
156.Chase (Throwing, White Cap) $43.00
157.Jackson $43.00
158.Hoffman (IZZY-Prov) $42.26
159.Dooin $42.01
160.Birmingham $42.00
161.Hart (Bill, Little Rock) $42.00
162.Wallace $42.00
163.Needham $42.00
164.Reulbach (Glove Showing) $42.00
165.Thebo $42.00
166.Kling $41.77
167.Jennings (One Hand Showing) $41.02
168.Reulbach (No Glove Showing) $41.00
169.Schulte (Back View) $41.00
170.Lundgren (Kansas City) $41.00
171.Steinfeldt (With Bat) $40.44
172.Clarke (Fred)(Holding Bat) $40.00
173.Abstein $40.00
174.Dunn (Jack, Baltimore) $39.99
175.Guiheen $39.77
176.Merkle (Throwing) $39.00
177.Ritter $38.50
178.Overall (Hands Waist Level) $37.99
179.Pfeister (Pfiester, Seated) $37.85
180.Ames (Hands At Chest) $37.77
181.Lake (St. Louis, No Ball In Hand) $37.75
182.Howard (Chicago) $37.01
183.Barry (Shad) $37.00
184.Mattern $37.00
185.Bell (Pitching Follow Through) $37.00
186.Perdue $37.00
187.Knight (Portrait) $36.67
188.Crandall (Portrait, With Cap) $36.67
189.Durham $36.11
190.Pfeffer $36.00
191.Lord $36.00
192.Scott $36.00
193.O'Hara (New York) $35.77
194.Evans $35.67
195.Leach (Portrait) $35.51
196.Quinn $35.33
197.Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves) $35.01
198.Powell $35.01
199.Niles $35.00
200.Delehanty (Frank) $35.00
201.Konetchy (Glove Near Ground) $35.00
202.Frill $35.00
203.Purtell $35.00
204.Phelan $35.00
205.White (Doc, Chicago, Pitching) $34.99
206.Overall (Portrait) $34.95
207.Tenney $34.95
208.McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago) $34.67
209.Doolan (Fielding) $34.33
210.Phillippe $34.00
211.White (Foley, Houston) $33.88
212.Manning (Batting) $33.63
213.Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) $33.57
214.Steinfeldt (Portrait) $33.55
215.Wilhelm (Hands At Chest) $33.50
216.Sullivan $33.22
217.Tannehill (Lee)(Chicago, L. Tannehill On Front) $33.05
218.Wagner (Heinie)(Bat On Right Shoulder) $33.05
219.Leach (Bending Over) $33.00
220.Stovall (Portrait) $33.00
221.Herzog (Boston) $33.00
222.Snodgrass (Catching) $33.00
223.Camnitz (Arm At Side) $32.67
224.Doyle (Larry)(With Bat) $32.55
225.Leifield (Pitching) $32.50
226.Brashear $32.45
227.Donlin (Fielding) $32.33
228.McQuillan (Ball In Hand) $32.00
229.Shaw (Hunky, Providence) $32.00
230.Ewing $32.00
231.Donovan (Portrait) $32.00
232.Hall $31.99
233.Ames (Portrait) $31.55
234.Lake (New York) $31.50
235.Fiene (Portrait) $31.05
236.Bell (Hands Above Head) $31.01
237.Warhop $31.00
238.Marshall $31.00
239.Graham (St. Louis) $31.00
240.Blackburne $31.00
241.Randall $31.00
242.Conroy (With Bat) $31.00
243.Easterly $30.98
244.Lobert $30.76
245.Mowrey $30.67
246.Smith (Frank, Chicago, White Cap) $30.63
247.Zimmerman $30.50
248.Owen $30.00
249.Moran (Pat, Chicago) $30.00
250.Egan $30.00
251.McBride $30.00
252.Liebhardt $29.99
253.Hoffman (Danny-S.L.) $29.99
254.Kleinow (New York, With Bat) $29.95
255.Quillen (Quillin) $29.88
256.Schaefer (Detroit) $29.65
257.Magee (With Bat) $29.55
258.Cassidy $29.00
259.Coles $28.99
260.Mitchell (Mike, Cincinnati) $28.88
261.Doolin $28.81
262.Pattee $28.77
263.Donlin (With Bat) $28.77
264.Crandall (Portrait, No Cap) $28.67
265.Bates $28.55
266.Doyle (Larry)(Throwing) $28.51
267.Wilson $28.50
268.Jordan (Brookyn, Portrait) $28.05
269.Brain $28.00
270.Wagner (Heinie)(Bat On Left Shoulder) $28.00
271.Ball (New York) $28.00
272.Milan $28.00
273.Gibson $28.00
274.Criger $27.99
275.Barbeau $27.99
276.Wiltse (Portrait, With Cap) $27.95
277.Lavender $27.80
278.Bush $27.77
279.Wiltse (Portrait, No Cap) $27.77
280.White (Doc, Chicago, Portrait) $27.50
281.Bridwell (Portrait, No Cap) $27.33
282.Ferguson $27.20
283.McIntyre (Detroit) $27.05
284.McGann $27.02
285.Murphy (Batting) $27.01
286.Elberfeld (New York) $27.00
287.Clark (Josh) $27.00
288.Burch (Fielding) $27.00
289.Williams $27.00
290.Ganley $27.00
291.Myers (Batting) $27.00
292.Atz $26.99
293.Knight (With Bat) $26.99
294.Armbruster $26.89
295.McGlynn $26.88
296.Thielman $26.80
297.Clarke (J.J.) $26.77
298.Spade $26.77
299.Shaw (Al, St. Louis) $26.66
300.Doolan (Batting) $26.59
301.Seymour (Batting) $26.27
302.Dessau $26.20
303.Street (Catching) $26.01
304.Turner $26.01
305.Bescher (Hands In Air) $26.01
306.Herzog (New York) $26.01
307.Davis (Phila. H. Davis On Front) $26.01
308.Hinchman (Cleveland)Bill $26.00
309.Bliss $26.00
310.Chase (Holding Trophy) $26.00
311.O'Leary (Hands On Knees) $26.00
312.Hartsel $26.00
313.Camnitz (Arms Folded) $26.00
314.Davidson $26.00
315.Carr $26.00
316.McLean $26.00
317.Dougherty (Portrait) $26.00
318.Anderson $26.00
319.Gray $26.00
320.Downey (Fielding) $26.00
321.Bowerman $26.00
322.McCormick $26.00
323.Payne $26.00
324.Charles $26.00
325.Murray (Batting) $26.00
326.Hemphill $26.00
327.Nicholls (Hands On Knees) $26.00
328.Maddox $25.99
329.Dubuc $25.49
330.Hayden $25.49
331.Burch (Batting) $25.36
332.Ford $25.21
333.Seymour (Portrait) $25.05
334.Howell (Portrait) $25.01
335.White (Jack, Buffalo) $25.00
336.Schreck $25.00
337.Ames (Hands Above Head) $25.00
338.Ritchey $25.00
339.Clancy (Clancey) $24.99
340.Donahue (Donohue) $24.95
341.Schlafly $24.95
342.Cravath $24.95
343.Hahn $24.95
344.Nattress $24.95
345.Milligan $24.75
346.Spencer $24.59
347.Sheckard (No Glove Showing) $24.51
348.Stahl (Glove Shows) $24.50
349.Kroh $24.50
350.Chappelle $24.50
351.Barger $24.50
352.Wiltse (Pitching) $24.50
353.Hummel $24.50
354.Bransfield $24.50
355.Rucker (Throwing) $24.49
356.Mullin (With Bat) $24.49
357.Strang $24.00
358.Weimer $24.00
359.Byrne $23.85
360.Shipke $23.65
361.Mitchell (Fred, Toronto) $23.51
362.Congalton $23.51
363.Unglaub $23.50
364.Young (Irv)(Minneapolis) $23.50
365.Pastorius $23.50
366.Smith (Frank, Chicago, F. Smith On Front) $23.50
367.Oldring (Batting) $23.50
368.Stone $23.50
369.Bergen (Batting) $23.50
370.McIntyre (Brooklyn) $23.50
371.Willett (Bat on shoulder) $23.49
372.Kruger (Krueger) $23.46
373.Rucker (Portrait) $23.42
374.Stanage $23.39
375.Downs $23.26
376.O'Neil $23.10
377.Conroy (Fielding) $23.06
378.Latham $23.04
379.Snodgrass (Batting) $23.03
380.Murphy (Throwing) $23.00
381.Gilbert $23.00
382.Karger $23.00
383.Beck $23.00
384.Burns $23.00
385.Seymour (Throwing) $23.00
386.Konetchy (Glove Above Head) $22.94
387.Engle $22.83
388.Kisinger $22.83
389.Sweeney (Bill)(Boston) $22.80
390.Sweeney (Jeff)(New York) $22.72
391.Leifield (Batting) $22.72
392.Elberfeld (Washington, Fielding) $22.56
393.Doyle (Larry)(Portrait) $22.55
394.Krause (Pitching) $22.51
395.Hoblitzell $22.50
396.Puttman (Puttmann) $22.50
397.Gaspar $22.50
398.Casey $22.50
399.Poland $22.50
400.Stovall (Batting) $22.50
401.Raymond $22.38
402.Geyer $22.27
403.Tannehill (Lee)(Chicago, Tannehill On Front) $22.16
404.Merritt $22.05
405.McQuillan (With Bat) $22.01
406.Becker $22.00
407.Bradley (Portrait) $22.00
408.Batch $22.00
409.Schirm $22.00
410.Rossman $21.94
411.Clymer $21.94
412.Ferris $21.90
413.Schlei (Batting) $21.72
414.Nichols (Nicholls, Batting) $21.71
415.Schlei (Catching) $21.55
416.Killian (Portrait) $21.51
417.Hulswitt $21.51
418.Lattimore $21.50
419.Parent $21.50
420.Moeller $21.50
421.Bescher (Portrait) $21.50
422.Hunter $21.50
423.Camnitz (Hands Above Head) $21.50
424.Abbott $21.49
425.Miller (Pittsburgh) $21.38
426.Summers $21.27
427.Donlin (Seated) $21.01
428.Isbell $21.01
429.Downey (Batting) $21.00
430.Schmidt (Throwing) $21.00
431.Smith (Happy, Brooklyn) $20.71
432.Malarkey $20.69
433.Willetts (Throwing) $20.59
434.Fiene (Throwing) $20.52
435.Stahl (No Glove Shows) $20.52
436.McAleese $20.51
437.Arndt $20.51
438.Groom $20.51
439.Murray (Portrait) $20.51
440.Hallman $20.51
441.Phelps $20.51
442.Moriarty $20.51
443.Hannifan (Hannifin) $20.51
444.Schmidt (Portrait) $20.50
445.Burke $20.50
446.Ball (Cleveland) $20.50
447.Dahlen (Boston) $20.50
448.Covaleski (Coveleski) $20.50
449.Dougherty (Arm In Air) $20.49
450.Stephens $20.49
451.Perring $20.49
452.Bergen (Catching) $20.49
453.Dunn (Joe, Brooklyn) $20.49
454.Bridwell (Portrait, With Cap) $20.49
455.Myers (Fielding) $20.49
456.Pfeister (Pfiester, Throwing) $20.49
457.Schaefer (Washington) $20.49
458.Butler $20.49
459.Lumley $20.49
460.Goode (Good) $20.49
461.Jones (F., Hands At Hips) $20.46
462.Freeman $20.27
463.Mullen (Mullin) $20.02
464.Oldring (Fielding) $20.00
465.Manning (Pitching) $20.00
466.Livingstone (Livingston) $20.00
467.Maloney $20.00
468.Cross $20.00
469.Oakes $19.99
470.Mullin (Horizontal) $19.99
471.Hinchman (Toledo) $19.99
472.Pelty (Horizontal Photo) $19.99
473.Krause (Portrait) $19.95
474.Sharpe $19.94
475.Lake (St. Louis, Ball In Hand) $19.75
476.Oberlin $19.27
477.Jacklitsch $19.03
478.Rudolph $18.84
479.Rhoades (Hands At Chest) $18.50
480.Starr $18.50
481.Killian (Pitching) $18.50
482.Paskert $18.50
483.Titus $18.49
484.Grimshaw $18.49
485.Criss $18.01
486.Barry (Jack) $18.00
487.Jones (F., Portrait) $17.71
488.Street (Portrait) $17.51
489.O'Leary (Portrait) $17.50
490.Moran (Herb, Providence) $17.50
491.Wright $17.50
492.Flanagan $17.49
493.Bradley (With Bat) $17.00
494.Arellanes $16.79
495.Fletcher $16.50
496.O'Brien $16.50
497.Lennox $16.50
498.Jones (Tom, St. Louis) $16.50
499.Dygert $16.50
500.Dorner $16.50
501.Knabe $16.31
502.Davis (Phila. Davis On Front) $16.03
503.Tannehill (Jesse)(Washington) $16.02
504.Alperman $16.01
505.Jordan (Brookyn, Batting) $16.01
506.Rhoades (Right Arm Extended) $16.00
507.Jones (Davy, Detroit) $16.00
508.LaPorte $16.00
509.Campbell $15.51
510.McGinley $15.50
511.Fromme $15.50
512.Berger $15.50
513.Graham-Peaches(Boston) $15.04
514.Rhodes $12.16

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Posted By: dynarl

I have a Hal Chase portrait with a El Principe De Gales how does this affect it in the rating of t206 cards

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Frankly, it throws off the pricing data

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Sorry guys, but......
with the exception of the data on the following 22 T206's....all the other remaining data can be
very misleading without the BACK information of those cards.



1......Honus Wagner
2......Plank
3......Demmitt (St. Louis).......100% are POLAR BEAR
4......O'Hara (St. Louis).......100% are POLAR BEAR
5......Sweeney (Bill) No B)
6......Cobb (Portrait, Green)
7......Cobb (Bat On Shoulder)
8......Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder)
9......Cobb (Portrait, Red)
10.....CYoung (Glove Shows)
11.....Elberfeld (Washington, Portrait)
12.....CYoung (Portrait)
13.....Johnson (Portrait)
14.....Mathewson (Portrait)
15.....CYoung (Bare Hand Shows)
16.....Johnson (Pitching)
17.....Mathewson (Dark Cap)
18.....Mathewson (White Cap)
19.....Speaker
20.....Dahlen (Brooklyn)

also,

21.....Lundgren (Chicago).......99% are PIEDMONT 150
22.....Jennings (Portrait).......100% are PIEDMONT 150


For example a PSA2 Donlin (fielding) with a SOVEREIGN 150 back would go for 4 x the price listed.


T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

VCP tracks Red Hindu, UZIT, Drum, Cycle 350 and 460, Carolina Brights, Brown Lenox, Brown Hindu, Broadleaf 350 and 460, Black Lenox, and Factory 42 backs as separate categories for reporting prices. All other back types, i.e. American Beauty, EPDG, Old Mill, Piedmont, Polar Bear, Sovereign, Tolstoi, and Sweet Caporal, are tracked together in the Common Back category. Are they throwing too many things in one bucket, in terms of making significant value distinctions? In any case, I wonder how they can even extract the back information in many cases, such as when it is not even mentioned in the auction listing where they are pulling the sales data.

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Posted By: David R

Ted,

What did you mean by:

"22.....Jennings (Portrait).......100% are PIEDMONT 150"

I have a Jennings (Portrait) with an EPDG back. Did you mean that all the Piedmont Jennings portraits are 150 series?

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Posted By: dynarl

I forgot to put in that the Hal Chase portrait with EPDG back has a pink background

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

In the 1st Series, the only back Jennings (portrait) is found with is the PIEDMONT 150.

However, regarding the 350-type backs, Jennings was printed with EPDG, OLD MILL, PIEDMONT 350,
SOVEREIGN 350, AND SWEET CAP 350.

I should have qualified this.

Thanks,

TED Z