Dog's Head and Old Judge Cabinet value?

[nberger9]

Hi,

I have a Dog's Head and Old Judge Cabinet card. I'm just curious as to the rough value of it. I know it depends upon the player and the condition. It is an N173 SGC 2.5 John Ward. I also have a "regular" Old Judge Cabinet N173 of California Brown in SGC 2.5

Just looking for a rough indication of value.

Thanks!

Neal

[darwinbulldog]

That's about a $10,000 card you're describing.

[oldjudge]

A Dogs Head cabinet will trade at a premium to a regular N173 because it is scarcer. How much above will depend on how the cabinet looks relative to a typical Ward cabinet. It would help if you posted an image. The grade means relatively little because in their infinite wisdom grading companies do not take photo quality into account when assigning grades and to most collectors that is the most important thing.

[BobbyVCP]

Is it
478-3b John Ward (Cap in R/hand at side-L/hand on hip-Dogs Head)

No recorded sales in VCP but there are for 4 other cards of Ward

[NiceDocter]

Are we all sure this isn’t an “Ahoy mate I just found one of these in my father’s garage” situation? We shall see….

[oldjudge]

Bobby--other than the portrait pose which is rare as a cabinet all the other poses sell for about the same amount so knowing the pose will not help valuing the card. Image quality and damage if any will determine value.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

Are we all sure this isn’t an “Ahoy mate I just found one of these in my father’s garage” situation? We shall see….

I just had a great chat with the OP (Neal). I can safely say he is a serious collector and is going to be a great addition to the community. I expect to see him in various sections of the forum too.

[nberger9]

I assure you that it is a real question and a real card. I am not looking to sell it rather, just get some idea of value. I personally think it's higher than the $10k mentioned above but, maybe i'm just talking my book. I am a new member and I just verified with the owner of the site. i look forward to being a valued contributing member of the community. Thanks! Neal

[nberger9]

Thank you so much, Leon. I enjoyed chatting with you and I appreciate your kind words!

[nberger9]

Here is a photo of the Dogs Head and Old Judge Ward

[nberger9]

Here are a few other interesting items from my collection

[nberger9]

Old Judge Cabinet California Brown

[nberger9]

1967 Pete Rose Stand Up prototype (1 of 2 known)

[stutor]

Welcome to the board Nate. You really know how to start things off with a BANG! I’m not versed in the items you shared, so I’m no help in valuation. But I sure enjoyed seeing the pics of your amazing, rare items. Happy collecting 😀

Sonny

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by stutor

Welcome to the board Nate. You really know how to start things off with a BANG! I’m not versed in the items you shared, so I’m no help in valuation. But I sure enjoyed seeing the pics of your amazing, rare items. Happy collecting 😀

Sonny

+1.

[Brent G.]

Those aren’t great pics … but they’re good enough to see the image quality on those is CHOICE.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Bobby--other than the portrait pose which is rare as a cabinet all the other poses sell for about the same amount so knowing the pose will not help valuing the card. Image quality and damage if any will determine value.

I just wanted to verify the pose we had on VCP for the Dog Head
and it was correct...had nothing to do with valuation

[NiceDocter]

Welcome to Net54 Neal and my apologies for the skepticism..... looks like youve got some really prime pieces there..... the images on those 2 cabinets are really strong! So glad this turned out to be real (some like this have not!)..... and I agree the values may be higher than originally estimated..... my congratulations on owning items that most only dream about. Rocky

[nberger9]

Thank you all for your very kind words and informative replies. I very much appreciate it and I've recently started re-investing in the hobby.

Although this is 19th century baseball, i am on the hunt for a 1951 Mantle in PSA 6 if anyone has one looking to sell. I also own 75 of the 1958 Pele Alifabologet rookie cards. I'm always on the hunt for those if anyone knows of any leads regarding private sales.

Thanks again and I look forward to being a valued member of this community.

Neal

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by nberger9

Thank you all for your very kind words and informative replies. I very much appreciate it and I've recently started re-investing in the hobby.

Although this is 19th century baseball, i am on the hunt for a 1951 Mantle in PSA 6 if anyone has one looking to sell. I also own 75 of the 1958 Pele Alifabologet rookie cards. I'm always on the hunt for those if anyone knows of any leads regarding private sales.

Thanks again and I look forward to being a valued member of this community.

Neal

75 peles!!!!!!!!! you hoarder you!!!!!

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by nberger9

I assure you that it is a real question and a real card. I am not looking to sell it rather, just get some idea of value. I personally think it's higher than the $10k mentioned above but, maybe i'm just talking my book. I am a new member and I just verified with the owner of the site. i look forward to being a valued contributing member of the community. Thanks! Neal

Having seen the picture now I recant my original estimate. I'll say $17,500 now. Funny you should mention the Pele collection as I was just looking at his cards in Goldin. Do you have any (either?) of his 1957 cards?

[Al C.risafulli]

Very nice!

-Al

[rjackson44]

gorgeous card

[nberger9]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Having seen the picture now I recant my original estimate. I'll say $17,500 now. Funny you should mention the Pele collection as I was just looking at his cards in Goldin. Do you have any (either?) of his 1957 cards?

I don't have the 1957 as there are only a few known examples. There are many more undiscovered in Brazil. I went to Brazil to make a deal for that same card for $75k but, there was trouble getting the money into Brazil from the US in a manner that didn't cause tax issues for the seller. If this one goes cheap enough, i may end up with it. I think under $100k all-in would be a great buy on this but i may also decide that i have enough Pele already!

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by nberger9

Here is a photo of the Dogs Head and Old Judge Ward

That's a beauty!

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by nberger9

Thank you all for your very kind words and informative replies. I very much appreciate it and I've recently started re-investing in the hobby.

Although this is 19th century baseball, i am on the hunt for a 1951 Mantle in PSA 6 if anyone has one looking to sell. I also own 75 of the 1958 Pele Alifabologet rookie cards. I'm always on the hunt for those if anyone knows of any leads regarding private sales.

Thanks again and I look forward to being a valued member of this community.

Neal

In case you didn't see this '51 Mantle PSA 6: https://goldin.co/item/1951-bowman-2...JkSW5kZXgiOjl9

[nberger9]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

In case you didn't see this '51 Mantle PSA 6: https://goldin.co/item/1951-bowman-2...JkSW5kZXgiOjl9

Thank you very much, Brent. I'm not sure how i missed that one so thank you very much for alerting me. The bids are already pretty high with 3 days to go. I think under $40k all-in is probably a fair price but we shall see.

Thanks again!

Neal

[oldjudge]

Hi Neal--very nice image on the DH Ward! I wonder why it only got a 2.5--is there a back issue? It's such a thin market that it is tough to accurately value a card like that. Based on scarcity and appearance you would think it is worth more than $10k, but I wouldn't be shocked if it went for a little less at auction or if it went for $20K. Since you are not selling it, it doesn't really matter. We picture some other DH cabinets of Hall of Famers in the Old Judge book.

[puckpaul]

well, might as well chime in with my Dogs Head. Only one i have, and its image isnt nearly as nice.

[nberger9]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Hi Neal--very nice image on the DH Ward! I wonder why it only got a 2.5--is there a back issue? It's such a thin market that it is tough to accurately value a card like that. Based on scarcity and appearance you would think it is worth more than $10k, but I wouldn't be shocked if it went for a little less at auction or if it went for $20K. Since you are not selling it, it doesn't really matter. We picture some other DH cabinets of Hall of Famers in the Old Judge book.

Thank you very much for your kind reply. There is no back issue and maybe i'll consider resubmitting it as I agree that the grade seems low.

Thanks again!

Neal

[nberger9]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

well, might as well chime in with my Dogs Head. Only one i have, and its image isnt nearly as nice.

Very cool! I wonder how many in total are out there?

[molenick]

Love the Ward. I have this one.

[nberger9]

Wow, that's a beauty Molenick!!

[molenick]

Thank you. Got it from REA several years back. Not a HOFer but a good player and a nice image.

[oldjudge]

I'll contribute to the party. Sorry for the reflection.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

i'll contribute to the party. Sorry for the reflection.

Wowwww...

[tiger8mush]

beautiful N173s!

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I'll contribute to the party. Sorry for the reflection.

I believe I had that Kelly 30 years ago. Great card, Jay!!

[oldjudge]

Thanks Gary! I've had it for a long time but I'm pretty sure I got it in an auction. Did you consign your copy?

[nberger9]

I have decided to list most of these cards in the Fanatics Premier auction that just went live today. I have listed them with no reserve if anyone is interested. I need to raise money for a 1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 7. Thanks!

[oldjudge]

What is a Fanatics Premier auction? Could you provide a link?

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

What is a Fanatics Premier auction? Could you provide a link?

Just stick it in google - It'll get you there (fanatics premier auction).

Lots of Hi End Stuff - (to me anyway)

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

What is a Fanatics Premier auction? Could you provide a link?

https://www.fanaticscollect.com

I tried to sign up in the past but they require a cell phone (which I don't own, by choice) to complete registration. So now when I go to the site, this "complete your registration" screen pops up, not allowing me to even browse the auction since I *can't* close the screen haha.

[oldjudge]

I tried to register but doing so necessitates providing too much sensitive information to these people so I'll pass. Why you thought using this site to auction your cards rather than a popular auction house such as LOTG or REA is beyond me but you just lost an active bidder for your cards.

[nberger9]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

What is a Fanatics Premier auction? Could you provide a link?

https://www.fanaticscollect.com/prem...n?type=PREMIER

and, I put the Carolina Brown into the Fanatics weekly auction:

https://www.fanaticscollect.com/week...45-3-sgc-25-gd

[nberger9]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I tried to register but doing so necessitates providing too much sensitive information to these people so I'll pass. Why you thought using this site to auction your cards rather than a popular auction house such as LOTG or REA is beyond me but you just lost an active bidder for your cards.

Fanatics which was PWCC is an extremely well known auction house that regularly sells 6 figure and sometimes 7-figure cards.

[yomass]

I did a search for N173 and got a large array of pokemon cards

[bandrus1]

fanatics premier auction

sort by: year earliest first

#1 result

https://www.fanaticscollect.com/prem...78-3-sgc-25-gd

not difficult guys

[oldjudge]

Will people really provide their financial account log in info to these guys?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Will people really provide their financial account log in info to these guys?

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I won't, hard pass on Fanatics.
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