Greg Morris raw cards - trust or no?

[Belfast1933]

I have read here more than once that members find that Greg Morris ungraded cards are generally described accurately (for grade descriptor). I am tracking a pre-war raw card from GM and wonder if members believe it’s likely that cards listed probably measure properly from Greg Morris as a seller.

I would post the card here but have learned from some that calling out auction cards that are still in live auction can create a stink for some!

Think it’s safe to assume that a prewar raw card sold by Greg Morris is unaltered?

Jeff

[Republicaninmass]

I've always glad great luck with him. I've had 2 cards which i had consigned not listed saying they were "short". That being said, he does listed cards described as trimmed. He sells both his own cards, as well as consignments without disclosure which is which. That being said, it's probably a 99% chance the card is unaltered and he does have a return policy I assume

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I've always glad great luck with him. I've had 2 cards which i had consigned not listed saying they were "short". That being said, he does listed cards described as trimmed. He sells both his own cards, as well as consignments without disclosure which is which. That being said, it's probably a 99% chance the card is unaltered and he does have a return policy I assume

Cool, thx!

[Oscar_Stanage]

you can return anything no questions asked..
but don't expect his grade to be on par with TPGs. somewhat accurate but expect a grade lower

[nwfsteve]

I’ve probably bought 200-300 from him and consigned twice that amount. His descriptions tend to be on the conservative side except for not bein as much of a stickler on centering. I did submit a raw 1960 Boyer/Mantke from him he advertised as NM and SGC gave it a 6.5. The rest of his raw I submitted either matched his description or came back even better.

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by nwfsteve

I’ve probably bought 200-300 from him and consigned twice that amount. His descriptions tend to be on the conservative side except for not bein as much of a stickler on centering. I did submit a raw 1960 Boyer/Mantke from him he advertised as NM and SGC gave it a 6.5. The rest of his raw I submitted either matched his description or came back even better.

Great endorsement … thx

[JollyElm]

Not offering an opinion, per se, but any outfit moving the sheer volume of cards that GM does will have some occasional cardboard slipping through the cracks...more so when it comes to century+ old tobacco cards measuring out 'correctly.' Seems the only way to ultimately be sure is by in-hand verification after you buy it.

(Yes, I understand that last bit is a very obvious statement that deserves a "Duh!!" )

[Flintboy]

Slowed way down on buying from him. His grading has been all over the place lately. Not sure if it’s because he’s grown too fast too quickly? On his YouTube videos he pimps his “pre grading process” however there’s a big difference between EX and EX-MT. Not that hard to assign one card condition to the listing.

[quitcrab]

Trust

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Flintboy

Slowed way down on buying from him. His grading has been all over the place lately. Not sure if it’s because he’s grown too fast too quickly? On his YouTube videos he pimps his “pre grading process” however there’s a big difference between EX and EX-MT. Not that hard to assign one card condition to the listing.

Concur on this assessment. Recent listing have wild swings in grading. I think they have been getting too much to keep up.

[Flintboy]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31458420452...mis&media=COPY


This card would be lucky to grade a 5 with PSA right now. Print, soft corners, and centering. Not even close to a NM card.

[StraightRaceCards]

Can’t speak for his pre grading as I mostly buy PR type cards from him, but as far as a seller is concerned, I would definitely recommend. Zero issues from the few purchases I’ve made from him and I’ve heard reputable things about him around the hobby.

M@tt G@lvin

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Concur on this assessment. Recent listing have wild swings in grading. I think they have been getting too much to keep up.

Same here. I’ve bought in the 1000’s of cards from him and never any major issues. But probably in the past 2 years I’ve gotten some busts from him. I don’t really take advantage of the return policy. If I get 2 or 3 busts out of 40 cards I just move on. I did get a batch of 69’s and the sizes were all over. They offered a refund but I was too lazy to return them. That’s totally on me. I still buy from them but don’t pay quite the premium I used to and I take more caution in looking over the scans.

I also think this is a volume thing and not anything nefarious. At the end of the day I still buy from him. He’s still one of the best.

[rhettyeakley]

No personal issues but they have gotten so big that they buy so many of the lots in major auction houses and then put them directly on ebay.

I get that they make good money selling commons for stupid money sometimes but personally just sick of getting outbid on every vintage lot just to see them show up on ebay so I will not buy from them. They have basically become a middle man for all vintage commons/lots.

Again, no personal issues or anything.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Not offering an opinion, per se, but any outfit moving the sheer volume of cards that GM does will have some occasional cardboard slipping through the cracks...more so when it comes to century+ old tobacco cards measuring out 'correctly.' Seems the only way to ultimately be sure is by in-hand verification after you buy it.

(Yes, I understand that last bit is a very obvious statement that deserves a "Duh!!" )

Measuring correctly doesn’t mean diddly poop on t cards. Plenty of big ones out there that got whacked and are now full size or still a little large. So measuring doesn’t mean crap. Especially on tobacco cards. Greg is awesome by the way. A good seller with a good team in place and I know he has banned some scum from consigning to him he wants to do things the right way and tries to make his money honestly.

[Snowman]

Go and get it boys! There's also a crease in the top right corner.

[Howe’s Hunter]

One of the best.

[Al C.risafulli]

Big fan of Greg. I've never bought anything from him because I don't buy a lot of cards, but I've had lengthy discussions with him about his desire to run a clean, honest business and I've heard multiple examples of him owning the inevitable mistakes that happen in a high-volume business, and making them right.

-Al

[cornhusker]

Jim Hoffer
I've sold a couple batches of cards thru GM and felt their grading of the raw cards that I sent was very accurate. I've also bought several raw cards thru them and those cards were always as described. My experience has been that GM is a reputable outfit. Hoping to get some more cards out to them shortly actually. I've bought and sold thru lots of folks over the years and feel GM ranks in the top tier with their descriptions, photos, and communication.

[Yoda]

I believe a lot of people, including myself, who deal with Greg go in with the mindset, "Hmm, that raw Gibson now trading about $300, about to close and graded by GM as ex/exmt is interesting. VCP shows average price for a 6 to be $650. If I can get it for $450, add in grading and shipping, quickly sell it, then I can turn a nice profit. Just capitalist thinking, and for years I found GM cards to be utilitarian.
However, I have moved on. Greg has truly been discovered and is a bit overwhelmed. Prices for his raw stuff has certainly increased.
Finally, grading a card ex-exmt leaves a lot of latitude and one must consider the vagaries of the TPG'ers

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I believe a lot of people, including myself, who deal with Greg go in with the mindset, "Hmm, that raw Gibson now trading about $300, about to close and graded by GM as ex/exmt is interesting. VCP shows average price for a 6 to be $650. If I can get it for $450, add in grading and shipping, quickly sell it, then I can turn a nice profit. Just capitalist thinking, and for years I found GM cards to be utilitarian.
However, I have moved on. Greg has truly been discovered and is a bit overwhelmed. Prices for his raw stuff has certainly increased.
Finally, grading a card ex-exmt leaves a lot of latitude and one must consider the vagaries of the TPG'ers

I think the latitude of his grading can sort of be where the value comes in.

For instance, I purchased a Koufax Rookie that GM graded "Low Grade" which is supposed to a 1 or 2, and SGC graded it a 3.

As others have pointed out, GM cares more about sharpness of corners than centering, so some of their "EX/EXMINT" cards would grade lower as they are way off in centering. But centered ones may grade higher.

But yeah, I have not found any bargains with Greg Morris for a while. He is getting ridiculous pricing, especially for his high profile stuff.

It is interesting to me that as others pointed out, he is buying entire sets from Robert Edward and others and breaking them. I bet the people that consigned those cards wish they'd directly consigned to Greg Morris, rather than an auction house.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I bet the people that consigned those cards wish they'd directly consigned to Greg Morris, rather than an auction house.

I think that the opposite may be true. The $44,400 1965 PSA complete set from REA broke last evening via GM at approximately $39,500 ...the original REA consignor is likely glad to have gone through REA vs GM on this one. If GM purchased this set, they are in the red by almost $10k after ebay fees.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I think that the opposite may be true. The $44,400 1965 PSA complete set from REA broke last evening via GM at approximately $39,500 ...the original REA consignor is likely glad to have gone through REA vs GM on this one. If GM purchased this set, they are in the red by almost $10k after ebay fees.

Wow, I didn't realize someone had done the math to see if the GM had made money. Yikes if they were $10K in the red....

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I think that the opposite may be true. The $44,400 1965 PSA complete set from REA broke last evening via GM at approximately $39,500 ...the original REA consignor is likely glad to have gone through REA vs GM on this one. If GM purchased this set, they are in the red by almost $10k after ebay fees.

Anecdotal (and not limited to any particular seller), but as a buyer, I've benefited greatly on many auctions that flood an auction ending in a single pay-due period with same-year/type cards.

I've seen this somewhat recently on a heavy N172 auction as well as 60s/70s Topps set breaks. It may attract the right people to the auction, but I wonder how much $$ the buyer pool feels comfortable spending all at once. It seems prioritization shoves some stuff into the background that would ordinarily be bid up.

I wonder if things would have been different if they took that 1965 set and broke it up over a few weeks/months of separate pay-due auction periods rather than putting the set up all at once.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I think that the opposite may be true. The $44,400 1965 PSA complete set from REA broke last evening via GM at approximately $39,500 ...the original REA consignor is likely glad to have gone through REA vs GM on this one. If GM purchased this set, they are in the red by almost $10k after ebay fees.

What is the link for that REA auction?

[Flintboy]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I think that the opposite may be true. The $44,400 1965 PSA complete set from REA broke last evening via GM at approximately $39,500 ...the original REA consignor is likely glad to have gone through REA vs GM on this one. If GM purchased this set, they are in the red by almost $10k after ebay fees.

Wow, is that factoring in the buyer’s premium?

[refz]

No issues with GM from my past experiences. I recommend.