MSA Discs

[bswhiten]

Does anyone in here know much about MSA Discs...please let me know if I am missing any from what I have below, and that PSA will grade.

Al Hrabosky - MAD HUNGARIAN discs
1976 Buckmans PSA 10
1976 Carousel PSA 10
1976 Crane PSA 9
1976 Dairy Isle PSA 9
1976 Isaly’s Sweet William PSA 10
1976 MSA Blank Back PSA 10
1976 Orabker’s PSA 9
1976 Red Barn – out for grading
1976 Safelon PSA 9
1976 Towne Club PSA 10
1977 Burger Chefs Funmeal – out for grading
1977 Chilly Willee PSA 10
1977 Dairy Isle – out for grading
1977 Detroit Caesars PSA 9
1977 Holiday Inn PSA 9
1977 MSA Customized Sports – out for grading
1977 Pepsi-Cola Baseball Stars PSA 9
1977 Saga – out for grading
1977 Wendy’s PSA 10
1977 Zip’z PSA 10
1978 Wiffle Ball PSA 10 (I think it is actually 77 but is slabbed as 76)

[JoeDfan]

Those are awesome!

I think I have, somewhere in a box, a complete set of one of those. If I remember right, I think my version was one of the harder to find ones. But I will have to check and see if you already have it.

[Cliff Bowman]

There should be a 1978 Wiffle bat & ball sleeve out there somewhere with Al Hrabosky on one side and Bobby Bonds on the other side, but it hasn't been found yet. There are 88 discs in the set and these are the only two not confirmed. It would look like this one but with Hrabosky. ETA, I don't know if PSA grades these because they all have two factory made crease in them.

[bswhiten]

I've never seen that one Cliff.. will have to keep my eyes open for that one! I could really use another red barn and saga. Those two were the hardest for me to find.

[bswhiten]

Thanks Sean!

[Mark70Z]

Ben,

Looks like you have all of them listed, but I believe there are two Dairy Isle discs; one with a red back and one I believe is purple. Also, I'm not sure if you want to count it or not, but MSA had the Carousel variations (stamped backs). I've seen PSA grade them, but did not add the variation store/type.

I collect Brooks Robinson and I have all of the discs raw (except for all the Carousel variations), but I'm slowly working on picking up PSA 9's or 10's of the discs as well. I have several to go on that endeavor, but it's fun picking them up now and then.

Your Hrabosky discs look great!

[ArmourPhil]

Cliff Bowman - I just finished a study of the wiffle ball issues. The 80 die cut insert discs come from 1978 and the discs printed on the boxes and the header sleeves were from 1979. I can confirm that Hrabowski is teamed up with Bonds and was printed in two colors pale yellow and navy blue. Wiffle sent me a scan of the orig print sheet.

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by ArmourPhil

Cliff Bowman - I just finished a study of the wiffle ball issues. The 80 die cut insert discs come from 1978 and the discs printed on the boxes and the header sleeves were from 1979. I can confirm that Hrabowski is teamed up with Bonds and was printed in two colors pale yellow and navy blue. Wiffle sent me a scan of the orig print sheet.

Would you mind emailing me a scan of the Hrabosky? Thanks,
Ben
bswhiten@gmail.com

[sschauer]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Does anyone in here know much about MSA Discs...please let me know if I am missing any from what I have below, and that PSA will grade.


1976 Red Barn – out for grading

The Red Barn also has variation with and without the address line on the back

[mrmopar]

I am concerned that those address stamps can be easily faked after the fact. I have one for a Zip'Z as well.

[bswhiten]

Originally Posted by sschauer

The Red Barn also has variation with and without the address line on the back

Any idea which one is the more common variant? Thanks.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bswhiten

Any idea which one is the more common variant? Thanks.

The one with the address is much more common than the one without. I don't even bother looking for the no address version of the four Cubs anymore, never saw one.

[ArmourPhil]

the wiffle ball disc is actually 1978 NOIT 1977 or 1976 as you see them labeled. Hopefully you will see that corrected in the next ed of Std catalog. My info is straight from the Wiffle company.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ArmourPhil

the wiffle ball disc is actually 1978 NOIT 1977 or 1976 as you see them labeled. Hopefully you will see that corrected in the next ed of Std catalog. My info is straight from the Wiffle company.

Dave Kingman is listed as being a San Diego Padre on the 1977 Wiffle disc. He was traded from the Mets to the Padres on June 15, 1977, and then was waived by the Padres September 6, 1977. He played for the Angels and Yankees for the remainder of the 1977 season. That tells me that the "1977" set was printed sometime between June 15 and September 6 of 1977 and was issued in the summer of 1977.

[darkhorse9]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Dave Kingman is listed as being a San Diego Padre on the 1977 Wiffle disc. He was traded from the Mets to the Padres on June 15, 1977, and then was waived by the Padres September 6, 1977. He played for the Angels and Yankees for the remainder of the 1977 season. That tells me that the "1977" set was printed sometime between June 15 and September 6 of 1977 and was issued in the summer of 1977.

Sorry Cliff, but Phil is correct on this. That card was released to the public in 1978. MSA wasn't nearly as quick on the printing and distribution as Topps or others, not were they as worried about anomalies like team designations.. Remember that this set was a special one due to it's size and not a standard MSA disc. As a result it took longer to print them, then ship to Wiffle, then inserted into individual boxes, shipped out, then arriving in stores.

The die-cut discs were released in 1978. No doubt about it.

[skil55voy]

Here is a link to the checklists for the MSA discs and the different backs. For the discs from the late 70's Mr. Lemke's price guide has a comprehensive list.

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Search....Baseball+Discs

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by darkhorse9

Sorry Cliff, but Phil is correct on this. That card was released to the public in 1978. MSA wasn't nearly as quick on the printing and distribution as Topps or others, not were they as worried about anomalies like team designations.. Remember that this set was a special one due to it's size and not a standard MSA disc. As a result it took longer to print them, then ship to Wiffle, then inserted into individual boxes, shipped out, then arriving in stores.

The die-cut discs were released in 1978. No doubt about it.

Hmmm, so if the set with the discs printed on the boxes and sleeves came out in 1979, then they were waaaaaay off on Jose Cardenal. He was traded by the Cubs to the Phillies in October 1977, but he is listed as a Cub on the box.

[ArmourPhil]

All I can tell you is that I talked direct to Wiffle and the son of the inventor is now running the place. He sent me a copy of the 1978 and 1979 advertising sheets and these were the only two years that they offered discs. There is no question about this anymore.

Send me your email and I will send you a copy if you like.

Lemke was also very wrong on the 2nd set (we now know as 1979) which were printed on the boxes. He said in the Std CAtalog that there were 88 cards on the boxes. There were only 12 boxes with 5 cards each so that's 60 cards in the set. The other 28 were on what they called "header sleeves" that had 2 players on each panel and were folded right through the discs. These are blank backed and I consider them a separate set. There are several of those up for sale on EBay right now.