T206 Joe Doyle Variation

[LuckyLarry]

I've been collectiong T206 cards for two or three years. I'm trying for the full set in ANY condition, and currently have about 68% of the set with 355 different cards. I also claim to know less about this set than ANY collector here on Net54 lol! So this morning I'm reading about the one in a million Joe Doyle variation, and I grab my binder to take a look.
Sure…...In the late '80s someone scratched off the lower border to make it APPEAR that this might be a one in a ba-zillion variation card. But I SWEAR I see what looks like the remnants of a letter right where NAT'L should be!

Larry

[Jobu]

While this sure seems like a fun idea, and would certainly be in the running for one of the most expensive paper losses in card history, I think you have the standard version of the card on your hands.

I lined up your card and a Nat'l. The dot on your card is in the same location as the "A" in Nat'l but it seems to be a little too high up. Also, from what I can tell from your scan there is a decent-sized area that still has paper where some of the "N" ought to be visible if it was there.

Have you looked at the color of that dot under a loupe? Does it look like the rest of the ink in the caption?

Sorry to be a "no jackpot" vote!

[packs]

Even if it was once there it's not anymore.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

I've been collectiong T206 cards for two or three years. I'm trying for the full set in ANY condition, and currently have about 68% of the set with 355 different cards. I also claim to know less about this set than ANY collector here on Net54 lol! So this morning I'm reading about the one in a million Joe Doyle variation, and I grab my binder to take a look.
Sure…...In the late '80s someone scratched off the lower border to make it APPEAR that this might be a one in a ba-zillion variation card. But I SWEAR I see what looks like the remnants of a letter right where NAT'L should be!

Larry

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Printer's mark.............................................. ..................................../\

This version of the Joe Doyle card exhibits a mark where the start of the " N " in the " Nat'L " was in the original caption. When American Litho. realized their mistake
they hastily erased " Nat'L " from the printing plate and left this mark. Less than 10 % of the Joe Doyle cards have this mark.

Anyhow, I aligned my scan with yours to see if any hint of lettering coincides. But, it's difficult to discern.

More importantly, what back is on this Joe Doyle card of your's ?



TED Z
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[Bpm0014]

I also have a Doyle variation with remnants of the "N" from NAT'L. I paid quite a premium for mine. I'll post pics shortly.

[lharri3600]

The poor mans doyle natl lol

[Bpm0014]

My poor man's Doyle...

[LuckyLarry]

Bryan I dont have a loupe (yet) but under a magnifying glass the ink colors match.
Ted here's the back it's a mess:

Larry

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

... the back it's a mess..

You could probably soak off most of the attached paper.

[ullmandds]

Compelling situation...for a t206 discussion!!!!! Unfortunate outcome to say the least if it "Were" real!

[Tao_Moko]

This card w/ rare variation has been known for a long time so the fact that it appears to be scratched off doesn't give a high probability that it's the NAT'L version. That being said - soaking the back might uncover the subject #. According to Ted, that will help determine any possibility. Looks like some of the number may be visible.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

This card w/ rare variation has been known for a long time so the fact that it appears to be scratched off doesn't give a high probability that it's the NAT'L version. That being said - soaking the back might uncover the subject #. According to Ted, that will help determine any possibility. Looks like some of the number may be visible.

Further examination of the Piedmont back is not necessary. The only Piedmont back printed on the Joe Doyle cards is the 350 Series version.

The front caption should be examined under high magnification to see if there are any remnants of the Nat'L lettering.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by LuckyLarry

Bryan I dont have a loupe (yet) but under a magnifying glass the ink colors match.
Ted here's the back it's a mess:

Larry

Larry

The Joe Doyle Nat'l (error) card exists ONLY with a PIEDMONT 350 back.

We could have eliminated any possibility of it being a Joe Doyle Nat'l card, if this card of yours had a SWEET CAP, POLAR BEAR, SOVEREIGN, etc. back.

But, now there is a fair (however, miniscule) possibility that it may have been.

Good luck,


TED Z
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[LuckyLarry]

My son in law is a scientist and said he could look at my card under magnification so I sent it to him. He took the card to his lab, and provided me these two pictures. The lab analyst said that a better lab could pull tiny samples from the ink to see if it matches, and he provided me a recommendation on a lab. Anyway here are the pictures

[Lgarza99]

I have to agree with Jubo. The way he presented this it looks like some of the "L" should also be visible.

Good luck though!

[ullmandds]

seeing the high magnification images it becomes obvious to me the type was scraped away.

[iwantitiwinit]

The remaining font that is purportedly the top of the A under magnification is too rounded in my opinion. Unfortunately, I believe you have nothing more than a defaced Joe Doyle, N.Y. specimen.

[4815162342]

Go ahead and send it in to ACA. It would go along great with this one: