T207 General Set Discussion

[Tao_Moko]

I have tapered my collecting back to a very small 5-card want list of primarily T207's. T206's are so abundant that I find issues with pricing and I am a little wore out on the over analyzation of the backs(dots, hairs, shades, etc.). My quest has led me to the T207 set because of it's scarcity, reasonable affordability and honestly, the visual appeal. They have really grown on me and I like the fact that they are very much a card with player bios instead of just an advertisement(T206).

Here is a recent pickup of a miscut and one of my favorite examples just to get an image rich thread started and with any luck my T207 Saier arrives in the mail today. Will post that pic once it's in hand.

Please share your favorite cards and any input or comments you have on the Brown Background set.

[Tao_Moko]

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[Leon]

Hi Eric
The back bio's do add a nice flavor to the set. There are lots of collectors of T207s but not to the extent of the white borders... The errors are often overlooked too. This Bressy was bought from an experienced board member and he didn't even know it had a double image on it. That would never happen with a T206...

[bn2cardz]

I love the Barry. Not too often will you find a horizontal full body image. I recently acquired mine and haven't scanned my own image yet, so here is the one from the auction listing.



And since you mentioned the backs I like this back, no one would use this wording on a newer card "Woodburn is prone to wildness and on that account has been retarded in his development."

[Tao_Moko]

Anyone have a Red Dooin with a Cycle back they can post an image of? Red in the name, Red hair, red lips, red emblem and red back. A true red quintfecta.

Leon - I need the Tinker. Want some T206's in trade for it

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Anyone have a Red Dooin with a Cycle back they can post an image of? Red in the name, Red hair, red lips, red emblem and red back. A true red quintfecta.

Leon - I need the Tinker. Want some T206's in trade for it

I am not married to Tinker. Find me a similar replacement and he is yours. I have him for the Recruit back so that won't be hard to find..... And before you go to any lengths I should put my hands on him again.....He has been hiding in my card confusion (aka collection) for a while now .

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Anyone have a Red Dooin with a Cycle back they can post an image of? Red in the name, Red hair, red lips, red emblem and red back. A true red quintfecta.

That is not a possible back for Dooin. He is in the Recruit back series.

[Bosox Blair]

I just finished my 18-card T207 Red Sox team set. This was a real challenge - the Red Sox might be the toughest team in the set to complete...many of the cards are very tough, including Bushelman and Hageman (my understanding is that Hageman's scarcity is made worse by a member of the Hageman family hoarding many examples of this tough card).

Even the Speaker and Hooper cards are tough from the set, and therefore relatively expensive.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

I just finished my 18-card T207 Red Sox team set. This was a real challenge - the Red Sox might be the toughest team in the set to complete...many of the cards are very tough, including Bushelman and Hageman (my understanding is that Hageman's scarcity is made worse by a member of the Hageman family hoarding many examples of this tough card).

Even the Speaker and Hooper cards are tough from the set, and therefore relatively expensive.

With a little help from Leon on a trade for Tinker, I will be down to the Ward Miller to complete my Cubs set. The Saier took me awhile, but it was more a matter of what I was willing to pay where as the Miller is a matter of finding one. There are a lot of Cubs set collectors needing him for their subsets.

The Cubs are fairly simple outside of the Saier and Miller so I agree that your Sox set is more challenging. I am just now reading the research done on this set and from what I have gathered, it is extremely tough.

[Bosox Blair]

And although there are proportionately very few HOFers in the set, there are some very nice images...I really like the Max Carey:

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

That is not a possible back for Dooin. He is in the Recruit back series.

Does that mean no Red Cross either? Is Dooin a terminal quadfecta of red?

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

I am just now reading the research done on this set and from what I have gathered, it is extremely tough.

Hi Eric,

Yes - there is definitely an element of difficulty that comes from what you want to pay for the grade (I had a couple opportunities to knock off the last few toughies, but for a price higher than I wanted to spring, so I waited...for several years...)

Even several of the less-talked-about Red Sox commons are tough in this set - like Thomas, Engle, and Carrigan.

And other tough/expensive cards are Joe Wood and Eddie Cicotte:

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Does that mean no Red Cross either? Is Dooin a terminal quadfecta of red?

The only known Red Cross cards are with the Broadleaf series fronts.

[tonyo]

The Tris Speaker is my favorite. This one came from a board member.

I too love the bios (although Tris' bio says he bats righthanded)

[ullmandds]

Nice to see a T207 thread...I really like these cards...despite losing my shirt speculating on the red cross lowdy!!!! I have 3 in my collection. I love the unique poses...back bios and realistic artistry.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi Eric
The back bio's do add a nice flavor to the set. There are lots of collectors of T207s but not to the extent of the white borders... The errors are often overlooked too. This Bressy was bought from an experienced board member and he didn't even know it had a double image on it. That would never happen with a T206...

Leon- you left out your best one!

[Myachelydra]

A great set...I really like the Napoleon backs.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Leon- you left out your best one!

he's getting some rest after all of the parading around he's done...

[barrysloate]

I understand- he's earned it.

[Jeffrompa]

I have been meaning to ask for quite some time now . Does anyone know the percentages of the Napoleons to the other backs ?

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

I just finished my 18-card T207 Red Sox team set.

Congrats!

[darwinbulldog]

I sold my T207s a while back, but Mike Simon has always been my favorite image in the set. I'd like to have some pajamas that match his uniform.

[kmac32]

Just missing Ward Miller for a complete set of T207 Cubs. All of mine are recruit backs with the exception of Vic Saier who has the anonymous back. All are in a frame except Saier who I recently picked up in August. Sharp set in my opinion.

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by sox1903wschamp

Congrats!

Thanks, Michael! As you know, some of these are not easy.

Cheers,
Blair

[wheitman]

Here are some pages from the T207 book I wrote around the same time as the Monster. Thought you'd enjoy. The Red Cross back should be familiar to all board members. I can't seem to figure out how to attach images. Any help?

[wheitman]

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[Tao_Moko]

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Thank you for contributing! The Willlie Mitchell bio sounds spot on.

[Leon]

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Hi Bill
Thanks for posting. So that is where Buck came from!! I never knew.

[Bridwell]

I've caught the T207 bug in a big way. Currently I have over 400 of them in my collection. Here's a few scans.

[kmac32]

all cubbies

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by kmac32

all cubbies

Very nice. My chance at a Miller is coming soon but I think there will be heated competition for it.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Very nice. My chance at a Miller is coming soon but I think there will be heated competition for it.

I just kind of stumbled into my Miller recently. Wasn't cheap but the price was fair. There is a red Cycle Miller coming up in March. Also a nice Saier if I start collecting T207 Cubs backs.

[William Todd]

I have a complete set, less the Lewis No Emblem, It became a passion after finishing my first T206 set. Some of the cards almost appear mystical, but the back variations of the Broadleaf class are quite interesting to some collectors.

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[frohme]

Originally Posted by kmac32

I just kind of stumbled into my Miller recently. Wasn't cheap but the price was fair. There is a red Cycle Miller coming up in March. Also a nice Saier if I start collecting T207 Cubs backs.

That'd be a nice subset, Ken! Something along the lines of 32 cards for all (known) front/back combos, including only 4 W. Millers and 4 Saiers I read somewhere as well that W. Miller is rumored to exist with the Red Cross back, though I don't recall ever having seen an image. One minor plus, though, is that none of the Recruits are known with the Anonymous (Fac 3) back ...

Great accomplishment on finishing the subset - those two toughies are among the hardest.

--
Mike

[frohme]

Originally Posted by William Todd

I have a complete set, less the Lewis No Emblem, It became a passion after finishing my first T206 set. Some of the cards almost appear mystical, but the back variations of the Broadleaf class are quite interesting to some collectors.

Here are a few.

Great stuff as always, Bill!

--
Mike

[William Todd]

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I love the use of "maskman" on the back of the card.

[Den*nis O*Brien]

This is a very enjoyable thread. kmac32's frame display is very nice. Tao Moko's Saier was terrific to see. It was good to see all of the shown cards. I can remember when this issue was "shunned" by many collectors because they were considered just too unattractive. This thread shows that stance to be just short sighted.

[William Todd]

Wow, that Mogridge is awesome and rare.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by Den*nis O*Brien

This is a very enjoyable thread. kmac32's frame display is very nice. Tao Moko's Saier was terrific to see. It was good to see all of the shown cards. I can remember when this issue was "shunned" by many collectors because they were considered just too unattractive. This thread shows that stance to be just short sighted.

Hey Dennis - glad to know there's yet another collector that appreciates T207's. As a number of us have said before, it really is a love/hate thing with the set - a number of Net54 members are definite fans, some more diehard than others (most would say I'm in the latter group).

Thanks for the Chicago show, and I agree with Bill - Mogridge is a one tough character.

--
Mike

[sb1]

Here is the toughest card in the set in both versions.

[oldcardboard]

Great looking cards everyone.
How many HoFers are in the set?

[William Todd]

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I agree with Scott, this is the toughest.

[William Todd]

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[kmac32]

Originally Posted by William Todd

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very nice.....bet those would fetch a few $$$$$

[Rickyy]

I think I first noticed them when I read about the T207 in the old SCD by Keith Olbermann...about how these cards were not as popular and overlooked because of the lack of name HOF's and their haunting dark brown back grounds that gave the cards a sad look to them.... I think they are one of the coolest of the T Cards and am happy to own a few in my type collection....this Lowdermilk is an anonymous back..

Ricky Y