Doug Allen and John Rogers Cooperated with the Feds!

[calvindog]

Doug Allen pleaded guilty today in federal court and during his plea it was revealed that both he and John Rogers wore a wire for the feds in an effort to ensnare others in criminal activities. Doug, being Doug, double-crossed the government and tipped off Rogers as to his status, thus tipping him off to the search on his home; Rogers, being Rogers, double-crossed his friend and ratted him out to the feds, making numerous incriminating tapes with Doug clearly obstructing justice. Doug will be going to prison for a long while.

I've been doing this for 24 years and I don't know of anyone as stupid or dishonest as Doug Allen. Rogers and Mastro are certainly a close second.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...811-story.html

[bobbyw8469]

I don't get it. There is so much money to be made just legally running an auction house. They get the consignor for 10-15% and the buyer for 15-20%. Why the need to be greedy?

[uniship]

I remember about 6 or 7 years ago talking to Doug Allen on the phone and he happened to be driving with some really cool historical Mickey Mantle ball that had just been consigned to him. He was telling me about the ball and its history, and I thought to myself "this guy has the greatest job in the world". Now he's facing 10-12 years in prison. un-freaking-believable.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by uniship

I remember about 6 or 7 years ago talking to Doug Allen on the phone and he happened to be driving with some really cool historical Mickey Mantle ball that had just been consigned to him. He was telling me about the ball and its history, and I thought to myself "this guy has the greatest job in the world". Now he's facing 10-12 years in prison. un-freaking-believable.

It does boggle the mind how some people who were sufficiently "successful" can make shipwreck of their own lives.

[slidekellyslide]

I visited the Masto offices in Chicago in 2004...there were literally piles of memorabilia and cards everywhere...I wasn't even sure how they were keeping track of what belonged to whom....I remember thinking what an incredible job that must be. Of course they believed they would never be caught or they believed what they were doing wasn't of interest to federal authorities...I don't know, but how do you throw away a kush job like that?

[tennisguy]

Forgive me if this was already answered, but what is Legendary's future?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I visited the Masto offices in Chicago in 2004...there were literally piles of memorabilia and cards everywhere...I wasn't even sure how they were keeping track of what belonged to whom....I remember thinking what an incredible job that must be. Of course they believed they would never be caught or they believed what they were doing wasn't of interest to federal authorities...I don't know, but how do you throw away a kush job like that?

Do you still think that "streak bat" was the real deal? I have no idea, but I remember having doubts at the time when the principal supporting evidence was a leading interview with a 90 plus year old Tommy Henrich.

[CW]

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[ksabet]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't get it. There is so much money to be made just legally running an auction house. They get the consignor for 10-15% and the buyer for 15-20%. Why the need to be greedy?

For corrupt people it is never enough. I firmly believe it ceases to be about the money at some point and totally becomes an ego driven behavior. These guys are megalomaniacs and sociopaths. That don't operate under the same thought processes as the bulk of most f the population.

[chernieto]

There may be a very interesting and suspect "seized asset auction " soon . Hopefully without any locks of hair or other oddities.

[calvindog]

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

[Orioles1954]

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[Runscott]

Thanks, Jeff.

Regarding some of the other responses...look at me bite my tongue, Leon. It's tough, but I think I can do it for another few days.

[rdwyer]

Too bad Doug isn't going to state prison. He's probably gonna live a comfortable life in Federal prison.

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

Touche on that Jeff...

Ricky Y

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

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[tbob]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

Well said, Jeff.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't get it. There is so much money to be made just legally running an auction house. They get the consignor for 10-15% and the buyer for 15-20%. Why the need to be greedy?

I hate saying it, but given the three people mentioned, I think you just answered your own question.

[ullmandds]

Unreal!

[Orioles1954]

I was a juror on a federal trial in my early 20s and while I had no problem sending several crooks to jail, I also felt incredibly sympathetic for their children (not so much their wives) who thought their dads were honest people.

[autograf]

Hard to tell what Doug's wife or children knew. The family is always collateral damage in situations like this.

[Runscott]

I admittedly am no criminologist, and also have no experience to back my discussion pounts.

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[Runscott]

Pount = point

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[Exhibitman]

Obstructing while 'cooperating'; unreal. Nixonian arrogance.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Obstructing while 'cooperating'; unreal. Nixonian arrogance.

Ah yes, the old it's not illegal if I do it defense. Never really caught on--imagine that.

[wonkaticket]

I assume we got this link off Peter Nash's website I'm sure he reported on this first.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/arti...ed-to-fbi-raid

Classic.

[bn2cardz]

The PSA 8 Wagner gets a lot of press about being altered... I had no idea about the PSA 6 Plank that is mentioned in the article.

Was this a well known fraud card also and I just missed it or is this a new revelation?

Was the alteration trimming like the Wagner?

We know the owner of the Wagner has said he won't do anything about the Wagner, but now the Plank has come out also could this hurt PSA in the long run that two major cards are now admitted trimmed cards in PSA numbered holders?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Obstructing while 'cooperating'; unreal. Nixonian arrogance.

Excellent comparison.

[chernieto]

UH OH !!!

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx?sortby=7

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by chernieto

UH OH !!!

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx?sortby=7

Wow! That's amazing. They're stilling running auctions. Who's officially running Legendary now?

[Runscott]

Guessing it is actually naivete. I cannot imagine trusting John Rogers, but perhaps he is lovable in person.

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[Runscott]

Rhys - is he lovable?

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[WhenItWasAHobby]

Just reading the article on the opening post reminds me of The Wolf of Wallstreet.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Rhys - is he lovable?

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I love the guy but he is also my brother!

Not sure what it has to do with what's going on w/ John or Doug but I figured I'd answer the question.

[Rich Klein]

It's ALL about the "stuff"

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

I love the guy but he is also my brother!

Not sure what it has to do with what's going on w/ John or Doug but I figured I'd answer the question.

Another miscommunication on my part - I was asking Rhys if John was lovable. I know Rhys is lovable

You two were a blast to talk with in Cleveland - thanks for all the great discussions!

[Runscott]

Why in the world would the government tell Doug that they were about to search Rogers' home?

[brob28]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Why in the world would the government tell Doug that they were about to search Rogers' home?

Based on one of the articles I read, I think he figured it out as they were asking about the layout, rooms whether he had dogs etc.

[wonkaticket]

Can we all chip in and help John Rogers make his payments please.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/m...miumvideo.html

[calvindog]

Jesus, it gets worse.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jesus, it gets worse.

So can I count on you at the say $25 dollar pledge level Jeff?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jesus, it gets worse.

What I don't get is how does a guy with Wagners, less fun Wagners and just Wagners everywhere so many he forgets which ones he sold...fail to pay a little old lady the 85k a month you promised.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Can we all chip in and help John Rogers make his payments please.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/m...miumvideo.html

Must not be that big of a deal...I've read nothing about this on Haulsofshame.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Must not be that big of a deal...I've read nothing about this on Haulsofshame.

Be careful Dan, the last time we said anything. We were exposed in the brilliant investigative journalism that is Peter Nash for attacking an innocent wonderful "Hobby Big Shot" like John Rogers.

It's obvious we were so wrong about John Rogers...I always tip off my innocent pals with nothing to hide about upcoming FBI raids on their businesses while I'm ratting on my other hobby friends. Poor John Rogers just caught in the middle I guess.

In the end I guess I'm just that an internet troll and Lifson fan boy. Because I sure don't have the FBI at my front door, people tipping me off about raids...or arrest warrants out for me like hobby icons Peter and John do...I guess I just haven't arrived in the hobby yet. Well there's always hope...