Doug Allen and John Rogers Cooperated with the Feds!

[bobbyw8469]

I don't get it. There is so much money to be made just legally running an auction house. They get the consignor for 10-15% and the buyer for 15-20%. Why the need to be greedy?

[uniship]

I remember about 6 or 7 years ago talking to Doug Allen on the phone and he happened to be driving with some really cool historical Mickey Mantle ball that had just been consigned to him. He was telling me about the ball and its history, and I thought to myself "this guy has the greatest job in the world". Now he's facing 10-12 years in prison. un-freaking-believable.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by uniship

I remember about 6 or 7 years ago talking to Doug Allen on the phone and he happened to be driving with some really cool historical Mickey Mantle ball that had just been consigned to him. He was telling me about the ball and its history, and I thought to myself "this guy has the greatest job in the world". Now he's facing 10-12 years in prison. un-freaking-believable.

It does boggle the mind how some people who were sufficiently "successful" can make shipwreck of their own lives.

[slidekellyslide]

I visited the Masto offices in Chicago in 2004...there were literally piles of memorabilia and cards everywhere...I wasn't even sure how they were keeping track of what belonged to whom....I remember thinking what an incredible job that must be. Of course they believed they would never be caught or they believed what they were doing wasn't of interest to federal authorities...I don't know, but how do you throw away a kush job like that?

[tennisguy]

Forgive me if this was already answered, but what is Legendary's future?

[ullmandds]

if one were shilled by legendary...can anything be done at this point?

[Matt E.]

Will the obstruction of justice by Doug Allen be viewed differently by the judge compared to others who lie?

If I remember correctly wasn't Barry Bonds convicted of obstruction of justice for his testimony in front of the grand jury during the BALCO steroid scandal?
Bonds received two years' probation, 250 hours of community service, a $4,000 fine and a month of monitored home confinement.


Matt E.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I visited the Masto offices in Chicago in 2004...there were literally piles of memorabilia and cards everywhere...I wasn't even sure how they were keeping track of what belonged to whom....I remember thinking what an incredible job that must be. Of course they believed they would never be caught or they believed what they were doing wasn't of interest to federal authorities...I don't know, but how do you throw away a kush job like that?

Do you still think that "streak bat" was the real deal? I have no idea, but I remember having doubts at the time when the principal supporting evidence was a leading interview with a 90 plus year old Tommy Henrich.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you still think that "streak bat" was the real deal? I have no idea, but I remember having doubts at the time when the principal supporting evidence was a leading interview with a 90 plus year old Tommy Henrich.

Yes, there was more evidence besides Henrich's own word that it was a streak bat. Would I stake my life on it...nope. Nothing in this hobby ever surprises me. It seems unfathomable to me that no one ever thought to ask Joe D what he did with that final streak bat...you would think that his old pal Barry Halper would have asked that question.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yes, there was more evidence besides Henrich's own word that it was a streak bat. Would I stake my life on it...nope. Nothing in this hobby ever surprises me. It seems unfathomable to me that no one ever thought to ask Joe D what he did with that final streak bat...you would think that his old pal Barry Halper would have asked that question.

I dunno Dan, you were there and obviously are in a far better position to assess, but between Bushing's self-interest, some aspects of the chronology that just did not add up to me, the "edit" of the Henrich tape, and what we now know of Doug's credibility, I still have my doubts.

[CW]

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[ksabet]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't get it. There is so much money to be made just legally running an auction house. They get the consignor for 10-15% and the buyer for 15-20%. Why the need to be greedy?

For corrupt people it is never enough. I firmly believe it ceases to be about the money at some point and totally becomes an ego driven behavior. These guys are megalomaniacs and sociopaths. That don't operate under the same thought processes as the bulk of most f the population.

[chernieto]

There may be a very interesting and suspect "seized asset auction " soon . Hopefully without any locks of hair or other oddities.

[calvindog]

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

[Orioles1954]

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[Runscott]

Thanks, Jeff.

Regarding some of the other responses...look at me bite my tongue, Leon. It's tough, but I think I can do it for another few days.

[rdwyer]

Too bad Doug isn't going to state prison. He's probably gonna live a comfortable life in Federal prison.

[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Too bad Doug isn't going to state prison. He's probably gonna live a comfortable life in Federal prison.

He's got enough bucks that he'll be out walking the streets in two years while thousands of poor folks will serve 10 years for lesser offenses.

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

Touche on that Jeff...

Ricky Y

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

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[tbob]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I expect greed from people; what I don't expect is obstruction of justice which strikes at the heart of what this free country is about. That crime dwarfs the fraud in my eyes.

Well said, Jeff.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't get it. There is so much money to be made just legally running an auction house. They get the consignor for 10-15% and the buyer for 15-20%. Why the need to be greedy?

I hate saying it, but given the three people mentioned, I think you just answered your own question.