Brutal PSA Poppage

[Mrvintage]

Truly some head scratchers in this submission!!!! I guess this just shows the human element in the grading game.....lol

Order #20773474 / Submission #5414731
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 22441421 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 270 WILLIE STARGELL Card (PSA 9 crackout)
2 1 22441422 NEAR MINT 7 1980 TOPPS 482 RICKEY HENDERSON Card (PSA 9 crackout)
3 1 22441423 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1915 CRACKER JACK 36 ED WALSH Card (PSA 4 crackout)
4 1 22441424 GEM MINT 10 1984 FLEER UPDATE U-27 ROGER CLEMENS Card (Raw card purchase on Net 54 boards)
5 1 22441425 GOOD 2 1955 TOPPS 124 HARMON KILLEBREW Card
6 1 22441426 POOR 1 1954 BOWMAN 65 MICKEY MANTLE Card
7 1 22441427 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 SCORE SUPPLEMENTAL 101T EMMITT SMITH Card
8 1 22441428 MINT 9 2002 BOWMAN CHROME GOLD 391 JOE MAUER GOLD REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPH Card (BGS 9 crackout)
9 1 22441429 MINT 9 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE Card (BGS 9.5 crackout w/ 4 9.5 subs)
9 2 22441430 EXCELLENT 5 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE Card (BGS 9.5 crackout w/ 4 9.5 subs) LOL
10 1 22441431 NEAR MINT 7 1983 TOPPS TRADED 108T DARRYL STRAWBERRY Card (BGS 9 crackout)
11 1 22441432 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 TOPPS 327 BO JACKSON Card (BGS 9 crackout)
11 2 22441433 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 TOPPS 327 BO JACKSON Card (BGS 9 crackout)
12 1 22441434 NEAR MINT 7 1972 TOPPS 79 RED SOX ROOKIES GARMAN/COOPER/FISK Card (GAI 8 crackout)
13 1 22441435 MINT 9 1991 PRO SET DESERT STORM 69 SADDAM HUSSEIN DESERT STORM Card
Total Items: 15
Date Received: 1/9/2014
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK

[sycks22]

I've had bad luck with crossovers with them. All but once I had them grade the SGC card "Evidence of trimming". Just a fancy way of saying "thanks for the money, but you'll get nothing"

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

Truly some head scratchers in this submission!!!! I guess this just shows the human element in the grading game.....lol

Order #20773474 / Submission #5414731
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 22441421 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 270 WILLIE STARGELL Card (PSA 9 crackout)
2 1 22441422 NEAR MINT 7 1980 TOPPS 482 RICKEY HENDERSON Card (PSA 9 crackout)
3 1 22441423 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1915 CRACKER JACK 36 ED WALSH Card (PSA 4 crackout)
4 1 22441424 GEM MINT 10 1984 FLEER UPDATE U-27 ROGER CLEMENS Card (Raw card purchase on Net 54 boards)
5 1 22441425 GOOD 2 1955 TOPPS 124 HARMON KILLEBREW Card
6 1 22441426 POOR 1 1954 BOWMAN 65 MICKEY MANTLE Card
7 1 22441427 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1990 SCORE SUPPLEMENTAL 101T EMMITT SMITH Card
8 1 22441428 MINT 9 2002 BOWMAN CHROME GOLD 391 JOE MAUER GOLD REFRACTOR-AUTOGRAPH Card (BGS 9 crackout)
9 1 22441429 MINT 9 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE Card (BGS 9.5 crackout w/ 4 9.5 subs)
9 2 22441430 EXCELLENT 5 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE Card (BGS 9.5 crackout w/ 4 9.5 subs) LOL
10 1 22441431 NEAR MINT 7 1983 TOPPS TRADED 108T DARRYL STRAWBERRY Card (BGS 9 crackout)
11 1 22441432 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 TOPPS 327 BO JACKSON Card (BGS 9 crackout)
11 2 22441433 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1988 TOPPS 327 BO JACKSON Card (BGS 9 crackout)
12 1 22441434 NEAR MINT 7 1972 TOPPS 79 RED SOX ROOKIES GARMAN/COOPER/FISK Card (GAI 8 crackout)
13 1 22441435 MINT 9 1991 PRO SET DESERT STORM 69 SADDAM HUSSEIN DESERT STORM Card
Total Items: 15
Date Received: 1/9/2014
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK

if you can prove you removed a card from their holder, resubmitted it and it gets a lower grade, shouldn't they cover it for grading it wrong the first time, especially that trim job?

kevin

[pclpads]

Sir, you are a gambler cracking out 9's and hoping for 10's. Sometimes the candy, more often the wrapper.

[glynparson]

tell him what you showed us here and see if he cant have the submission reviewed for you, especially if not marked shipped yet. Even if shipped i'd contact him to see if you can get this order re-looked at.

[Peter_Spaeth]

PSA is known to be tough on third year Bo Jackson cards.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PSA is known to be tough on third year Bo Jackson cards.

I had heard that too.

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PSA is known to be tough on third year Bo Jackson cards.

The 88 topps Bo Jackson cards are his football rookies not 3rd yr baseball cards.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PSA is known to be tough on third year Bo Jackson cards.

[h2oya311]

I doubt Joe O. can do much for MrVintage....unless our fellow board member works for Small Traditions.

[AMBST95]

That's pretty rough, particularly the 5. It's all a matter of luck on the crossovers, even within the same company. I rarely cross due to horror stories like this one. I don't think I'd have the stomach for it on a high dollar card.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

I doubt Joe O. can do much for MrVintage....unless our fellow board member works for Small Traditions.

More like Make A Wish

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

if you can prove you removed a card from their holder, resubmitted it and it gets a lower grade, shouldn't they cover it for grading it wrong the first time, especially that trim job?

kevin

They'll probably say it was trimmed after it was taken out of the slab...

[Mrvintage]

Funny thing about the cracker jack Walsh is that they have already graded the card 3 times and SGC has graded it once as well. This was going to be my final attempt to get a higher grade on this card, but I guess they want me to sub it one more time....lol. With this particular card it is more about me being stubborn than it is about the money. It is a super sharp card that looks as good as all of the 6's and 7's I have seen. I'll probably send it back to PSA one more time and keep it for my collection because I often times toy around with the idea of starting the 15 CJ set and that card would be a great start.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

I'll probably send it back to PSA one more time and keep it for my collection because I often times toy around with the idea of starting the 15 CJ set and that card would be a great start.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

[ethicsprof]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

well said,Rob.

best,
barry

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

Great point Rob and you are right, but it sure would be nice to have it graded as highly as possible when it comes time to sell your set.

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

C'mon Rob, get with the program!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

Funny thing about the cracker jack Walsh is that they have already graded the card 3 times and SGC has graded it once as well. This was going to be my final attempt to get a higher grade on this card, but I guess they want me to sub it one more time....lol.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. If you felt that PSA has got it wrong 3 times now, why do you keep trusting them to do it again?

If you took your car to the shop for a repair and they didn't get it right the first time, would you pay them again to fix it a second time? Third time? Fourth time? Maybe it's just me, but I'm funny about paying for the same service over and over if I felt it wasn't done right to begin with.

[deucetwins]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not sure I follow your logic. If you felt that PSA has got it wrong 3 times now, why do you keep trusting them to do it again?

If you took your car to the shop for a repair and they didn't get it right the first time, would you pay them again to fix it a second time? Third time? Fourth time? Maybe it's just me, but I'm funny about paying for the same service over and over if I felt it wasn't done right to begin with.

Are you talking about TPG's, Strip clubs, or marriage?

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

They'll probably say it was trimmed after it was taken out of the slab...

yea. im referring to the fact that if you bought it as PSA 4, then cracked it out only to have them come back and say it is trimmed, meaning they missed it was trimmed the first time. im pretty sure that is what has happened.

kevin

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

yea. im referring to the fact that if you bought it as PSA 4, then cracked it out only to have them come back and say it is trimmed, meaning they missed it was trimmed the first time. im pretty sure that is what has happened.

kevin

This would be the 4th time they have graded the card and SGC has graded it also so I'm pretty sure it is not trimmed

[calvindog]

Ugh, this is how the pop reports get all screwed up -- which only causes the value of the card to go down.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

This would be the 4th time they have graded the card and SGC has graded it also so I'm pretty sure it is not trimmed

I know of many many cards that have been on similar journeys until they ended up in their optimal holder. It's pretty scary really. One grade differences on different trips are understandable, but two grade disparities are not and I have seen some as high as 4 grades, not to mention going from altered to unaltered and vice versa.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

if you can prove you removed a card from their holder, resubmitted it and it gets a lower grade, shouldn't they cover it for grading it wrong the first time, especially that trim job?

kevin

PSA will say that you may have damaged the card during the crackout process or it is very hard to prove that is the same card that was removed from the original holder.