Brutal PSA Poppage

[Mrvintage]

Funny thing about the cracker jack Walsh is that they have already graded the card 3 times and SGC has graded it once as well. This was going to be my final attempt to get a higher grade on this card, but I guess they want me to sub it one more time....lol. With this particular card it is more about me being stubborn than it is about the money. It is a super sharp card that looks as good as all of the 6's and 7's I have seen. I'll probably send it back to PSA one more time and keep it for my collection because I often times toy around with the idea of starting the 15 CJ set and that card would be a great start.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

I'll probably send it back to PSA one more time and keep it for my collection because I often times toy around with the idea of starting the 15 CJ set and that card would be a great start.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

[ethicsprof]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

well said,Rob.

best,
barry

[joeadcock]

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

well said,Rob.

best,
barry

Hey Barry

Your an ethicist at heart.

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

Great point Rob and you are right, but it sure would be nice to have it graded as highly as possible when it comes time to sell your set.

[freakhappy]

Thanks for sharing your submission report with us...sorry about the way they turned out

All in all, if you feel like your CJ will eventually turn in a better grade, then resubmit...it is your card. But it looks like there may be a small crease somewhere if it keeps turning up in a low-mid grade holder...just something to think about. And what was up with the BGS 9.5 turning into a 5??? Maybe the card got damaged when you cracked it out or when you sent it in?

[Mrvintage]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Thanks for sharing your submission report with us...sorry about the way they turned out

All in all, if you feel like your CJ will eventually turn in a better grade, then resubmit...it is your card. But it looks like there may be a small crease somewhere if it keeps turning up in a low-mid grade holder...just something to think about. And what was up with the BGS 9.5 turning into a 5??? Maybe the card got damaged when you cracked it out or when you sent it in?

Yeah Mike maybe there is something there on the CJ that I am missing . I have no idea what happened on the Griffey that turned into a 5. I have cracked out many many cards over the years and have never damaged one. I always look them over well after the crackout before submitting them so who knows. I know that PSA has been historically tough on the hologram on the back of the 89 upper deck cards, but I checked that as well so I am truly puzzled. It's not the end of the world, but just thought I would share my frustrations with the board. I have learned a lot from this board over the years so it's always good to hear others thoughts on these matters. Thanks, Andy

[ethicsprof]

as are you, my friend.
'be ethical at all times.'

best,
barry

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Wouldn't the card be a great start to the set no matter if it's in a 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 holder? You know, because it's the same card?

C'mon Rob, get with the program!

[Luke]

I don't mean any offense to the OP, but it is really sad that this is what's become of the hobby.

[Ease]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

I don't mean any offense to the OP, but it is really sad that this is what's become of the hobby.

This type of thing has been going on since the hobby was a hobby, and since grading emerged. If he wants to play the crackout game more power to him, some folks like to open packs, popping a sub is like opening a pack. Gotta find your own way to have fun with it...not sad at all.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Ease

This type of thing has been going on since the hobby was a hobby, and since grading emerged. If he wants to play the crackout game more power to him, some folks like to open packs, popping a sub is like opening a pack. Gotta find your own way to have fun with it...not sad at all.

I agree.

Hate the game, don't hate the player.


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[MattyC]

In my humble opinion, a card is the same card no matter what the sticker of some TPG says. Our eyes are the final judge-- and the one that counts.

If I think a 2 looks like a 4 to me, then I will pay "4 money" for it.
If I think a 9 looks like a 7 to me, I will only pay "7 money" for it.

As long as the buyer essentially "grades the graders," then it all works out.

When dudes buy overgraded cards, dudes play themselves. When dudes buy undergraded cards, they get steals and can potentially make loot off bumps.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

I don't mean any offense to the OP, but it is really sad that this is what's become of the hobby.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Originally Posted by Ease

This type of thing has been going on since the hobby was a hobby, and since grading emerged. If he wants to play the crackout game more power to him, some folks like to open packs, popping a sub is like opening a pack. Gotta find your own way to have fun with it...not sad at all.

No, it has not been going on "since the hobby was a hobby".

It has been going on since people started getting paid for their opinions, and the people paying them began collecting the opinions connected to each card, instead of the card.

If anybody finds it fun to collect those opinions, and keep paying for different (hopefully better) ones, that's good for them, and I'm glad that they are having fun.

But it's stupid.

There I said it, and I feel good about it. That's what's fun for me.

Doug

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

It has been going on since people started getting paid for their opinions, and the people paying them began collecting the opinions connected to each card, instead of the card.

If anybody finds it fun to collect those opinions, and keep paying for different (hopefully better) ones, that's good for them, and I'm glad that they are having fun.

But it's stupid.

There I said it, and I feel good about it. That's what's fun for me.

Doug

Good man, Doug.

[Mrvintage]

A lot of good posts on this topic. There are some that I agree with and others I don't necessarily agree with, but they made me think about things from others perspective. For me trying to understand others views and learn from them are important aspects of being a member here so thanks everyone for your input.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

No, it has not been going on "since the hobby was a hobby".

It has been going on since people started getting paid for their opinions, and the people paying them began collecting the opinions connected to each card, instead of the card.

If anybody finds it fun to collect those opinions, and keep paying for different (hopefully better) ones, that's good for them, and I'm glad that they are having fun.

But it's stupid.

There I said it, and I feel good about it. That's what's fun for me.

Doug

I suppose it depends on when you figure the transition away from it being a hobby happened. I could pick a few dates from my time collecting that might be debatable, but the change isn't 100% finished and probably won't be. As long as some collectors don't care about condition I figure it's still a hobby to someone.

Overstating the condition of something has been with us a LONG time. At least since 1978 when I went to my first show. "It's mint for its age" "What about the two big creases?" " Like I said, mint for its age" That guy didn't last long, but like medusas hair there were more taking his place.
When they started being the majority there was an opportunity for TPG. Coins already had it, and stamps had authentication since at least the 30's, probably much earlier.

Likewise, there's always been a few collectors that care a whole lot about condition. And as long as I've been collecting the more damaged cards have sold for less. (48 Musial with paperloss on the front was only 25 cents at the second show I went to )

I don't have the budget to play the registry game. Even on a good special a whole 1981 set would run almost 3700 in grading But I have had a few cards graded and do have them in the registry. Mostly for fun.
But I must admit a certain happy feeling when one comes back as being the highest graded of its type. And a bit of remorse when the Blankbacks dropped my T206 average into the 40's.
I'm still not sure why, since I'm also not all that into condition. I don't think I'd crack out a 9 or 9.5, but maybe a really nice 2 or 3 like a couple I'll probably cross over. (I have a few PSA cards, but don't do their registry. )

I do also agree that after a certain point the extra money just doesn't make much sense. The $1000 difference between a 9 and 10 mentioned would let me fill in a lot of holes in my collection.

Steve B

[Runscott]

I hate hearing 'mint for its age'. Grades have nothing to do with age; otherwise, I have a whole pile of Indian Head cents that are 'mint for their age', plus one that is actually 'mint'.

Hell, I'm mint for my age.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Mrvintage

Funny thing about the cracker jack Walsh is that they have already graded the card 3 times and SGC has graded it once as well. This was going to be my final attempt to get a higher grade on this card, but I guess they want me to sub it one more time....lol.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. If you felt that PSA has got it wrong 3 times now, why do you keep trusting them to do it again?

If you took your car to the shop for a repair and they didn't get it right the first time, would you pay them again to fix it a second time? Third time? Fourth time? Maybe it's just me, but I'm funny about paying for the same service over and over if I felt it wasn't done right to begin with.

[deucetwins]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not sure I follow your logic. If you felt that PSA has got it wrong 3 times now, why do you keep trusting them to do it again?

If you took your car to the shop for a repair and they didn't get it right the first time, would you pay them again to fix it a second time? Third time? Fourth time? Maybe it's just me, but I'm funny about paying for the same service over and over if I felt it wasn't done right to begin with.

Are you talking about TPG's, Strip clubs, or marriage?

[MattyC]

Oh now that's brilliant. Bravo, man. Postathaday.