Were they the best......

[EvilKing00]

of their time.

From 1980 through today - - - - where these players, compared to those they played with, the best of their time.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

of their time.

From 1980 through today - - - - where these players, compared to those they played with, the best of their time.

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[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

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+1

[Leon]

Not sure why this is in the pre-war section but, as the rules state, members can do some off topics. In that respect lets let this stay on the front page but everyone should be careful of what forum you are posting in, with respect to the subject matter. I have no clue about the question. (not to sound mean, but I really don't care )

[EvilKing00]

sry about where i put it. Question is about do you think these players were or were not the best of their time.

Sometimes people say bonds (lets say) should be in the HOF cause hes not the HR leader, or mays was better etc. Pleayer should and are supposed to be compared to the players of their time, not those who came before them or after them, IMO.

[HRBAKER]

Barry was certainly better at growing his head size than most all of his peers.

[Cardboard Junkie]

All the players listed...suck.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

sry about where i put it. Question is about do you think these players were or were not the best of their time.

I think everyone understands the question. But none of these guys have pre-WWII cards of them. Had you put this in the correct forum, for Post 1980 cards, then it would be in the correct spot. But no big deal and good luck with the vote....

http://www.net54baseball.com/forumdisplay.php?f=34




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[HOF Auto Rookies]

Why did you put Sheff on that list? He's not even close to deserving it

[Julz24]

Far and away the greatest player I've ever seen play in person was Barry Bonds. A 7-time MVP, Bonds was in the zone at the plate for years. He was the most feared hitter of our time, and got pitched around more than anyone in history.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Julz24

Far and away the greatest player I've ever seen play in person was Barry Bonds. A 7-time MVP, Bonds was in the zone at the plate for years. He was the most feared hitter of our time, and got pitched around more than anyone in history.

Agree^

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Julz24

Far and away the greatest player I've ever seen play in person was Barry Bonds. A 7-time MVP, Bonds was in the zone at the plate for years. He was the most feared hitter of our time, and got pitched around more than anyone in history.

My thoughts exactly, as I view him as THE greatest ever. I really regret not seeing him play, had tried to convince my dad for years...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Julz24

Far and away the greatest player I've ever seen play in person was Barry Bonds. A 7-time MVP, Bonds was in the zone at the plate for years. He was the most feared hitter of our time, and got pitched around more than anyone in history.

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

My thoughts exactly, as I view him as THE greatest ever. I really regret not seeing him play, had tried to convince my dad for years...

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

Pujols has a lot more PA's than Bonds, and AB's. Think it would be close to even if Bonds had as many AB's

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Pujols has a lot more PA's than Bonds, and AB's. Think it would be close to even if Bonds had as many AB's

HAHA, Based off Averages then you are right Bonds would have 1092 SO instead of 958 where as Pujols only had 780.

I can't imagine batting avg, OBP, or SLG would have changed much since they are already averages which put them on equal footing.

Then you look at the 162 game average (also included in the screen shot I provided) Pujols still dominates in Hits and Home Runs.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

The poll is " ONE of the the best " , not THE best.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

My thoughts exactly, as I view him as THE greatest ever. I really regret not seeing him play, had tried to convince my dad for years...

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

The poll is " ONE of the the best " , not THE best.

If I was quoting the original poll that would be correct. As seen in my quote above the claim was made that Bonds was "The greatest ever".

[Julz24]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

Point well taken. But Bonds still must be considered "one of" the best of his time.

I admit to being a bit biased. I witnessed Bonds have incredible games year after year. The two games I saw Pujols he posted O-Fers.

We'll have to see how Pujols holds up over the rest of his career.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

lets see how it ends up,

[EvilKing00]

IMO ruth is the best ever, Bonds is the best I have ever seen.

[KCRfan1]

Barry's first year and his last 3 years brought his career averages down a bit. We'll have to wait on AP to see how his numbers towards the end of his career affect his averages. I'm curious, does anyone believe Albert is juicing? Drafted in the 13th round ( from my former school Maple Woods Community College ), and debued about 18 months later in the majors. Seriously, nobody saw this career coming. Is he juicing?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

lets see how it ends up,

+1, that's what matters

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12 and Pujols seems to be done as a top-tier ball player. The bigger problem is comparing the old stars to todays stars, its not fair. Humans have grown and evolved over the last 100 years. Take the top 10 players of 2013 put them in a time machine to play the top 10 players of 1913 and the old timers get clobbered. Just like if you did the same with football or basketball players.

[HRBAKER]

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12

Strange isn't it?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by timber63401

Take the top 10 players of 2013 put them in a time machine to play the top 10 players of 1913 and the old timers get clobbered. Just like if you did the same with football or basketball players.

I'm not so sure about this. In football and basketball, yes. Baseball, though, would be a bit different.

- The ball used in 1913 wasn't nearly as lively as the ones in use today. This would almost certainly be a factor that favors the old timers.

- The ball was also changed with much less frequency. Modern hitters are accustomed to a new, gleaming white ball to hit at. Not as significant; however, would still tilt things towards the 1913 players.

- Good pitching beats good hitting, and there were some pretty solid hurlers back in 1913. Hard to imagine WaJo and company getting "clobbered," especially playing under conditions they were used to.

- Most modern players would be on the 15-day DL after getting spiked by Cobb. OK, not a game changer...however...thought it was a valid point. The old timers were tough as leather. Today's athlete...maybe not so much.

Just my two cents. Personally, I think it it would be a close matchup.

Respectfully,

Eric