Were they the best......

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With Pujols overlapping his career I don't know how Bonds can ever be considered the Best of our time:
First full 12 years of Bonds compared to the last 12 years of Pujols:

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12 and Pujols seems to be done as a top-tier ball player. The bigger problem is comparing the old stars to todays stars, its not fair. Humans have grown and evolved over the last 100 years. Take the top 10 players of 2013 put them in a time machine to play the top 10 players of 1913 and the old timers get clobbered. Just like if you did the same with football or basketball players.

[HRBAKER]

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12

Strange isn't it?

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12

Strange isn't it?

Exactly my first thought

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12

Strange isn't it?

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12

Strange isn't it?

Not strange he was a juice head but if you look at Pujols body type when he came in then the next 5 years or so he was noticably thicker now if you look at him hes thinner again. Has he used? Your guess is as good as mine but you cant count anyone out from that era.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Not totally fair since Bonds best seasons was after his first 12

Strange isn't it?

Strange but a lot of players have their, better years later on. Almost like a light gets switched on, or the game slows down. Bonds was using, Just like almost everyone else of his time, but as he got older he also learned to hit better. Here are a few examples of players who got better as some years went bye. (off the top of my head)

RA dickey, Jose Bautista, Encarnacion, Randy Johnson, Roy Halladay, Carlos Gomez, AJ Pierzynski had his best season last year at age 35 and hes a catcher, blew away his notmal stat lines. Paul Konerko had his best 2 season at 34 and 35.

Im sure you guys could name ever more players.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by timber63401

Take the top 10 players of 2013 put them in a time machine to play the top 10 players of 1913 and the old timers get clobbered. Just like if you did the same with football or basketball players.

I'm not so sure about this. In football and basketball, yes. Baseball, though, would be a bit different.

- The ball used in 1913 wasn't nearly as lively as the ones in use today. This would almost certainly be a factor that favors the old timers.

- The ball was also changed with much less frequency. Modern hitters are accustomed to a new, gleaming white ball to hit at. Not as significant; however, would still tilt things towards the 1913 players.

- Good pitching beats good hitting, and there were some pretty solid hurlers back in 1913. Hard to imagine WaJo and company getting "clobbered," especially playing under conditions they were used to.

- Most modern players would be on the 15-day DL after getting spiked by Cobb. OK, not a game changer...however...thought it was a valid point. The old timers were tough as leather. Today's athlete...maybe not so much.

Just my two cents. Personally, I think it it would be a close matchup.

Respectfully,

Eric

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I'm not so sure about this. In football and basketball, yes. Baseball, though, would be a bit different.

- The ball used in 1913 wasn't nearly as lively as the ones in use today. This would almost certainly be a factor that favors the old timers.

- The ball was also changed with much less frequency. Modern hitters are accustomed to a new, gleaming white ball to hit at. Not as significant; however, would still tilt things towards the 1913 players.

- Good pitching beats good hitting, and there were some pretty solid hurlers back in 1913. Hard to imagine WaJo and company getting "clobbered," especially playing under conditions they were used to.

- Most modern players would be on the 15-day DL after getting spiked by Cobb. OK, not a game changer...however...thought it was a valid point. The old timers were tough as leather. Today's athlete...maybe not so much.

Just my two cents. Personally, I think it it would be a close matchup.

Respectfully,

Eric

It is a very tough comparison to judge, that's for sure. Modern players are stronger, faster, better equipment, etc. Pre-War or Deadball players have bad baseballs and equipment like you stated, larger fields, but not necessarily as strong or fast. I can say one thing, it sure as hell would be a fun game to watch the best of the best in pre-war vs post-war in a Best of 7. Wow.

[HRBAKER]

Support for a steroid user, please. When did he EVER test positive...not once. It's ALL speculation. Bonds never failed one drug test, Bonds had never got caught using steroids. So please, enough with this steroid crap.

This just in, "Earth Not Flat!"

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Support for a steroid user, please. When did he EVER test positive...not once. It's ALL speculation. Bonds never failed one drug test, Bonds had never got caught using steroids. So please, enough with this steroid crap.

This just in, "Earth Not Flat!"

Show me the proof, show me his positive test results, please. Humor me

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Show me the proof, show me his positive test results, please. Humor me

I have none and you know it. However to deny that "that" is by far the most plausible explanation for what he was able to accomplish at an advanced age is in a word "myopic."

Look you can admire what he achieved if you like, it was phenomenal. However it like the accomplishments of many of his brethren will always have a stench associated with it.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I have none and you know it. However to deny that "that" is by far the most plausible explanation for what he was able to accomplish at an advanced age is in a word "myopic."

Look you can admire what he achieved if you like, it was phenomenal. However it like the accomplishments of many of his brethren will always have a stench associated with it.

Hey, I agree. But it's all speculaction, whether he's superhuman or got help, I will go with innocent until proven guilty