Now that all the lying is done...do you think clemens makes the hall?

[CMIZ5290]

Curious what other members think.....

[7nohitter]

In the 'jury' of the BBWAA, I believe he will NOT make it, at least not for a while...he'll be ,umped in with Palmeiro, Bonds, et al.

[slidekellyslide]

No...not anytime soon. Almost everyone believes he used steroids...anyone associated with that deal is going to wait a long time before enshrinement.

[kmac32]

Not in the near future

[David Atkatz]

Joe Jackson was acquitted, too.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Gets in his first year of eligibility (2013?)

[Leon]

I watched one of the judges (voters) commenting on TV yesterday. He said he will never vote for him and he believes his sentiments echo most of the people voting. I think he said he didn't see it happening in the next 30 yrs.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Gets in his first year of eligibility (2013?)

like bonds, 2nd year of eligibility. they were far superior than the other "steroid guys" and shouldn't be lumped.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Joe Jackson was acquitted, too.

Yes, but he was banned from baseball, and ineligible.

[packs]

I think Dan has it right. Andy is a stand up guy. He admitted what he did and the public forgave him. He never passed the blame onto someone other than himself.

Not to mention only one 500 season in a 17 year career, no losing seasons, winning 100 more games than he lost and his incredible post season numbers.

[oldjudge]

I think Clemens and Bonds (and we might as well lump Arod with these guys) were so far superior to the players of their era and, whether they did steroids or not, that they deserve to get in. I agree that either will be hard pressed to make it on the first ballot, but I think they will get in. Palmeiro was not a dominant player of his era, just an accumulator of stats IMO. I would not have been a fan of his getting in with or without steroids. McGwire was a one dimensional player and I am not that upset that he is not in. Clemens and Bonds are different.
BTW, Griffey is a first ballot HOFer and IMO Biggio is not a HOFer, regardless of his hit total, but he will probably get in. Ozzie Smith was no HOFer either (just thrown in since I think that his getting in was the biggest joke since Tommy McCarthy getting in).

[barrysloate]

Clemens and Bonds will get a higher percentage of votes than McGwire, due to their incredible statistics. But none of the steroid era players will ever achieve the necessary 75% to be inducted. Perhaps sometime down the road, some specially formed committee will vote them in. But they will never make it in through the front door.

[TUM301]

If he gets in at all I think it will be pretty far down the road. Hopefully, and this coming from a lifelong Bosox fan, he never gets in. Rather see a guy like Louie Tiant in ANY DAY over that self serving blowhard !

[JasonD08]

He should get in. People that never have played the game should not be allowed to vote. HOF voting should only be done by former players held in high regard.

[BearBailey]

Not a chance. His attitude seems to make it worse. If fading away hasn't helped perception on some players, being in the limelight I think would make it even worse and make it less forgiving to the BBWA.