Now that all the lying is done...do you think clemens makes the hall?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Gets in his first year of eligibility (2013?)

[Leon]

I watched one of the judges (voters) commenting on TV yesterday. He said he will never vote for him and he believes his sentiments echo most of the people voting. I think he said he didn't see it happening in the next 30 yrs.

[bbcard1]

I think it all depends on attitude and don't think it can't change. There will likely come a time where voters will have to say,"If we wish to reflect the history of our national game, we must include someone besides Ken Griffey, Jr and Craig Biggio in that two decade span." May or may not happen, but outrage fades.

[packs]

I don't think Clemens will get in. I DO think Pettitte will get in eventually.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think Clemens will get in. I DO think Pettitte will get in eventually.

I think the guys who admitted to usage may get in...I think Pete Rose would get in if the commissioner would reinstate him simply because he finally admitted to betting on baseball. All that anyone wanted was a confession, and I think that's the case with the steroid crowd too.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Gets in his first year of eligibility (2013?)

like bonds, 2nd year of eligibility. they were far superior than the other "steroid guys" and shouldn't be lumped.

[kkkkandp]

I think Jay is right - players like Bonds and Clemens were extraordinary talents and should eventually get in. The voters will just torture them before it happens.

I'm a Yankee fan, but I disagree that Andy Pettite should be a HOFer. There are other pitchers I'd rather see get in. I even think one of Pettite's contemporaries - Mike Mussina - is more deserving that he is.