OT: Braun wins appeal.

[novakjr]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension

[packs]

Wow. So is Braun insinuating that the test collector tampered with his sample? Seems like the only plausible deniability he could have with a positive test for a synthetic steroid.

[jcmtiger]

Sounds like he got off basically on a technicality.

Joe

[glchen]

This is wrong. He is completely guilty. This is why I hate lawyers (w/ those on net54 excepted of course).

[packs]

It rubs me the wrong way on so many levels. Braun is going to be a hundred millionaire by the time his contract is up. Now he's trying to insinuate a test collector who probably has a family and makes less in a year than Braun does in a game tampered with his sample. This collector will likely be fired. It's obvious MLB knows who he is. If Braun's not trying to insinuate that, then why bring up the collection process? A synthetic steroid was found in the sample. That should be all anyone focuses on. I think its disturbing that Braun would hint that he's a "victim."

[keithsky]

another sports star gets off with a slap on the wrist. makes me sick. bonds, clemens, sosa, palmerio to name a few. selig probably was watching this real close since braun plays for the brewers.

[Ease]

Wonder what his stats will be this season...

[Jcfowler6]

I wish the Pirates would start taking something.

[philliesphan]

If the sample did sit, you must acquit!

[Fred]

I didnt read the article but I have to think this was a commissioners decision. If so, this makes that idiot commissioner look even less like a true commissioner. Let me see, didn't Selig used to own the Brewers? Nope, no favoritism there.

[A2000]

Originally Posted by Fred

I didnt read the article but I have to think this was a commissioners decision. If so, this makes that idiot commissioner look even less like a true commissioner. Let me see, didn't Selig used to own the Brewers? Nope, no favoritism there.

I think you should read this:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...ame-suspension

[novakjr]

Honestly, this outcome doesn't really do anything for his reputation...Good or Bad...If he did it, he did it. If not, then he didn't. This decision doesn't answer any of that.. Yes, he won the appeal. Sure, by a technicality. But taking full advantage of that technicality was probably the easiest way for Braun and his lawyers to get him off the hook. It doesn't necessarily mean that he did anything, nor does it mean that he didn't. All it means is that this was the easiest road to travel in his appeal.

[tjb1952tjb]

Originally Posted by Jcfowler6

I wish the Pirates would start taking something.

Thanks.........I needed a laugh!!!

[Exhibitman]

Here's what I don't understand: "A person familiar with the situation told The Associated Press that, after being informed of the positive result, Braun asked to have another urine test taken, and that the second test was within normal range."

Perhaps any MDs here can weigh in: how fast does this stuff leave the system? Braun claims he had three clean tests the same season and apparently demanded another test that was clean when he found out about the positive test.

[nolemmings]

Adam, this is from an SI online article last December:

According to drug testing experts, though, passing a subsequent test is not, in and of itself, a valid defense and actually fits the pattern of some previous doping cases. US Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart has no specific knowledge of the Braun case, but says that a testosterone level that goes from normal, to high, to normal is typical of someone on a steroid cycle. "After a person stops using, the T:E ratio" -- that's the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio, which is 1:1 in most people, and above 4:1 in positive tests -- "goes back down to normal levels, and that could be in a matter of days or hours. It depends on how much they used, how long they've been using, and their own individual metabolism." Research done by German scientists showed that one particular drug boosted a patient's T:E ratio above 80:1 before it dropped back to normal only 12 hours later.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1nJ7lA1hB

[steve B]

That info Todd quoted from SI is important. I haven't seen that before.

Back to normal after 12 hours is interesting, almost as interesting as the 4:1 vs normal at 1:1 ratio. They seem to allow a bit of room for things being slightly off.

It also makes the other clean tests meaningless.

Does the MLB program do a multiple test like other sports? Usually there's an A sample and a B sample. If the A test is positive they then redo the test with the B sample (And hopefully different personnel or an entirely different lab) If they're contradictory it's announced but not punished. If both come back positve there's a suspension and some explaining to be done.

A proper explanation will remove the suspension.

For example a cyclist in the world championships eats a poppy seed bagel. Which causes a positive test for opiates. With a reciept and an "I didn't realize" excuse he wouldn't typically be suspended. Without the reciept or witnesses or if it's not the first time there'd be punishment.

Their tolerance levels I think are much lower.

Steve B

[novakjr]

Just read an article on the Indians website, and I think Shelly Duncan may have summed this whole mess up the best of anyone.

"You either have a guy who got away with using a performance-enhancing drug, or you completely corrupted an innocent man's name. It's one or the other, and either one is a complete and utter fail."

"It's an example right now, of why every single time anybody takes a drug test, why it gives us justification to be scared to death. You have the credibility of your life on the line. No one knows except Ryan Braun what happened, and it's not fair for me to have ill feelings towards Ryan Braun if he's completely clean."

[CMIZ5290]

What a joke.... Not to mention the bull**** that this is going to cause with future players trying to do the same damn thing.

[drc]

The reason why scientists and labs have multiple tests, is there can be errors in a test. Perhaps cause by error in testing-- not to suggest that is the only possible reason. Clearly two tests with distinctly different readings should make people ponder-- and helps why it's important to have two tests.

Of course, some may speculate that if there are two tests-- one positive and one negative, perhaps it's the negative that is incorrect.

[jbbama]

Guilty or not, i would sat damage to his name and reputation have been done and will shadow him for the rest of his carrer.

[blackandgold]

Being a Pirates fan for the last 42 years, I think they HAVE been taking some substances the last 19 years. Unfortunately, given the skinflint tendencies of the owners, they've been popping Flintstones chewables.