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Hi Kirk...a bit more from the same site...


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Arrest Agency: San Diego Police Department Date Booked: 05/28/2013 Time Booked: 18:10:49
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Eligible For Release, But Court Approval is Required, Bail Amount: $110,000
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Case # Arr Chg Code Section Code Description *CL Court Court Date Time *ROC Bail Amount
1 1 530.5(A) PC GET CREDIT/ETC OTHER'S ID F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $50,000
1 2 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
1 3 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
1 4 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
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unfortunately...it was through my bank acct?!?!!?
Sure there are lawyers on here who know better but the type of electronic transfer of funds you did is not protected by this type of fraud. The bank can retrieve money if the transfer was not one you authorized. ETFs do not have the recourse we are afforded through credit card purchases. Obviously this guy thought about that when he structured your deal. At this point, assuming the card does not grade, your only recourse would be to sue or hope he/they are made to pay restitution, which ends up being pennies on the dollar. Just ask JP Cohen.
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but it appears as I am screwed as the invoice Den sent me was for an instant transfer...not goods and/or services...and apparently this cannot be disputed.
Scott recently disputed one that wasn't for goods/services in this thread and he won. You might PM him for more details.

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On the urging of a fellow board member...I just attempted to open a dispute with paypal...but it appears as I am screwed as the invoice Den sent me was for an instant transfer...not goods and/or services...and apparently this cannot be disputed.

Does anyone know if I have any recourse?

Still waiting for response from SGC BTW!?
Peter,

Call paypal directly, I did when the Hope for Charities deal hit the fan, it too was out of the normal purchases realm. They made an exception and filed for a refund which I obtained after the standard waiting period.

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Hi Kirk...a bit more from the same site...


PERSONAL INFORMATION
Booking Nbr: 13736859 Last Name: PRAKONEKHAM First Name: DENPHET
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Date of Birth: 5/4/1964 Age: 49 Hair: BLK
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Arrest Agency: San Diego Police Department Date Booked: 05/28/2013 Time Booked: 18:10:49
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Eligible For Release, But Court Approval is Required, Bail Amount: $110,000
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RELEASE
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CASE / CHARGE INFORMATION
Case # Arr Chg Code Section Code Description *CL Court Court Date Time *ROC Bail Amount
1 1 530.5(A) PC GET CREDIT/ETC OTHER'S ID F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $50,000
1 2 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
1 3 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
1 4 487(A) PC GRD THFT:MONEY/LABOR/PROP F SDF 05/30/2013 13:30 Arraign $20,000
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There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?
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If you talked to them and paypal does not honor the refund. You might try filing a claim with the San Jose Better Business Bureau. It worked for me on a bad deal(resealed wax) about 3 years ago.
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everyone...thanks for your advice...it's going to be a busy afternoon!!!
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There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?
Short answer is yes. My guess, and this is only a guess, is that John Perez aka Den Prak, wasn't really Den Prak at all...nor John Perez, but in fact the ring leader whose name is unknown right now. There is a chance they gave each other login info on the board. It seems they were sharing some info between them with paypal, ebay or other accounts. Allegedly Den and several others are this ringleaders pawns. All that being said, I am only sure that Den is residing in jail, as evidenced by the above posts. Everything else is conjecture. I hope the whole kit and kaboodle get thrown in jail. My guess is that the ringleader is going to be difficult to catch unless there is cooperation from the Mexican authorities. It's a very tangled web....and a very large one.
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the verdict is in...my ruth was graded A for added color...paypal was kind enough to grant me 1 exception to their rule and file a claim for the full amount minus the grading fee I presume?!?!

If our friend, Den Prak, or whomever is at the receiving end of the paypal account does not respond in 10 days...paypal will pay me the full amount. If he does respond...who knows what may happen?!?!
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That's great news Peter - the paypal part

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Thinking of Leon's earlier post that this goes into the 1,000's of cards. The '57 Robinson shown in another post was in a PSA holder, hopefully these were not getting past TPG. On the other hand if these guys were creating their own slabs I sure hope there is a good way to spot them that comes out of this.
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Wow! I'm sure some of those cards could have fooled me. Good thing I'm broke!
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Could it be another WIWAG type deal? I wonder if these guys were getting into Fake PSA slabs and high grade modern stuff. Like Jordan 10s and what not. Will be interesting to see what comes of this. So these were the only transactions he did on here correct? But he did maybe 7 figures? Of what? Whats his ebay id if yall have it?
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the verdict is in...my ruth was graded A for added color...paypal was kind enough to grant me 1 exception to their rule and file a claim for the full amount minus the grading fee I presume?!?!

If our friend, Den Prak, or whomever is at the receiving end of the paypal account does not respond in 10 days...paypal will pay me the full amount. If he does respond...who knows what may happen?!?!
Just curious...if PayPal refunds your money, do you get to keep the card? It's still an authentic Ruth, after all.

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Could it be another WIWAG type deal? I wonder if these guys were getting into Fake PSA slabs and high grade modern stuff. Like Jordan 10s and what not. Will be interesting to see what comes of this. So these were the only transactions he did on here correct? But he did maybe 7 figures? Of what? Whats his ebay id if yall have it?
Please be careful quoting what I say in this thread as fact. Most of it is what I believe, or have been told, and is not substantiated. I was told it was in fact Jordon rookies on the fake cards and maybe some slabs....but again, don't take that as gospel. The reason this is sketchy is because of the amount of fraud, multiple scammers (a ring) and the ongoing investigation. The guy that told me he was Den, whom I spoke to yesterday, is obviously a skilled scam artist. I have got almost all of my info from another board member who I will not name. The Secret Service agent told me very little, of course. I wouldn't expect them to divulge much information. I asked if there were multiple victims, I was told yes. I said, if I were to say on my chat board that these people are bad people would that be true? I was told yes. There really wasn't a whole lot more in that conversation. I then forwarded some emails and offered my help in any way possible. Hopefully we will be able to find out more as it comes out....

Edited to add...I received 3-5 emails and PMs from board members that did good deals with this person. I didn't receive any emails or PMs of bad deals. The scammer even kept saying that all of his deals on the board were good, and he was correct. I have to believe it was to set up a bigger, fraudulent deal. There was a 40k one in the works that got stopped at the last hour....thank God. That might have been what they were going for on the board, I don't know.
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Just curious...if PayPal refunds your money, do you get to keep the card? It's still an authentic Ruth, after all.

Regardless, good luck! Sounds like it is going to work out for you.
Get the refund and keep the card! Offer it to the DA as evidence or keep it! F that crook. What's he gonna do, sue?
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"Edited to add...I received 3-5 emails and PMs from board members that did good deals with this person. I didn't receive any emails or PMs of bad deals. The scammer even kept saying that all of his deals on the board were good, and he was correct."

How was he correct if he sold Peter a recolored Ruth?
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I was trying to just ask a question and thanks for the reply. I wasnt sure exactly what was going on and my questions were only questions and not facts.
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"Edited to add...I received 3-5 emails and PMs from board members that did good deals with this person. I didn't receive any emails or PMs of bad deals. The scammer even kept saying that all of his deals on the board were good, and he was correct."

How was he correct if he sold Peter a recolored Ruth?
Except that one....but I am not positive he even knew the card was bad when he sold it, not that it matters. But you are correct. Where I was going with this is that I don't think he had scammed on the board yet..(this altered card withstanding)
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Is this related, also involved scam out of San Diego?

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How was he correct if he sold Peter a recolored Ruth?
Re coloring: Doesn't sound like he would know if his Ruth was tainted, anyway. Just my 2cents, but if i read Leon correctly, he was surf fishing before he goes deep sea for a marlin, ergo the 40k deal that was nixed at the 11th hour.
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Also note that the SK Ty Cobb that this guy was complaining about PSA grading on (Link) also came back as Altered, so it's possible it may have been recolored also. Also sold to a boardmember, but it looks like he accepted a return.
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I didn't know what I was getting myself into when I joined this forum! We have interesting topics, baseball expertise, how to spot fake cards, drama & suspense and now crime busting!

What's next and should I go out and buy some popcorn?

p.s. Well done Leon, btw!
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Just some questions about this guy who had an account here:

1 - How long was he a member (ie when was his profile created)?

2 - How many posts did he have?

3 - any clue how many transactions he had before this mess?

Just wondering because I try and look an peoples profile info and try and judge if I should send them money or not. May not be a good way to judge but its all I have come up with so far.

PS - that's the reason I add every person who I have had a good deal with to my sig, that way, I , as well as the person on the other end of my deal gets some "feedback".
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What's next and should I go out and buy some popcorn?

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File a police report! You need that sort of documentation.
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Thanks ted...if i end up filing fraud through my bank i was told that may be a good idea.
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Is this related, also involved scam out of San Diego?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=san+diego
Yes, that's him.

The scammer in this thread is one of the biggest the hobby has ever seen. I gathered much more information about him after two failed scams against me over a year apart. I was the one that had a $40,000 deal in the works, figured it out, and alerted Leon. I've connected him to multiple alts on CU, net54, and blowoutcards. He has been doing this for many years and is now perfectly replicating PSA slabs as well. It's believed that he is operating out of Mexico and will be very hard to stop. He was the ring leader of the Cyrus Stivers case and Stivers never even met him nor knew who he was. He does everything from out of the country and uses other people as pawns, some of them don't even know they're selling fraudulent or stolen cards.
His best scam is putting authentic, trimmed/altered/lower grade cards into fake PSA slabs. These things look scary legit.
If you have ever dealt with this person, it's highly likely what you received was either stolen or counterfeit.
I've connected him to the following scams:


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/f...fool-me-1.html

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92552

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...99-robbed.html

All of the following are likely banned or inactive now but here's some of his various alts (I'll update this list as I learn more):
net54 = sportscollector, sam1952
blowoutcards = supercollector2012, expertcollector
CU = Will update this soon.

eBay ids: reedca76, moderncollector2012, encapsulated_icons, top_shelf_cards, highest-grade
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Thanks ted...if i end up filing fraud through my bank i was told that may be a good idea.
Peter,

Was the card real? Will you be able to get your money back and still keep the card?

Just wondering.
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All of the following are likely banned or inactive now but here's some of his various alts (I'll update this list as I learn more):
net54 = sportscollector, sam1952
blowoutcards = supercollector2012, expertcollector
CU = Will update this soon.

eBay ids: reedca76, moderncollector2012, encapsulated_icons, top_shelf_cards, highest-grade
I did some checking on Sam1952 after another board member accused him and Joey Farino of being one in the same (which they weren't). Sam1952 also has an eBay user id of jasonchicas based in San Diego.
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Is this related, also involved scam out of San Diego?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ight=san+diego
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I did some checking on Sam1952 after another board member accused him and Joey Farino of being one in the same (which they weren't). Sam1952 also has an eBay user id of jasonchicas based in San Diego.
I had that one noted too and checked it out. This scammer finds people via Craigslist to go into business with selling cards. It's likely that account was just someone else who was a pawn of his.
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There is something that I don't understand unless I just missed it. He was arrested 2 days ago, but was logged onto this site yesterday. How does that happen? Multiple people sharing the same account?
Perhaps he used his "one phone call" from jail so he could log onto Net54 and post his "goodbye, I'm leaving" thread?



Good to hear Paypal is working with you, Peter (this hobby should be nothing but fun and it sucks when you have to deal with this crap).

It's crazy to think the secret service is involved, but it's good to know they have our back!
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It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your holder is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...

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It's interesting to me that these scams always seem to involve PSA graded cards/ holders. Hypothetically If your were PSA and were supposedly the biggest TPG out there, wouldn't you address the fact that your older is easily breached, etc?

It's not hard to tell when a SGC holder has been cracked open, and frankly Beckett holders are damn near bomb proof and are destroyed when/if the holder is cracked.

I own many high end cards in PSA holders, and would frankly be a bit more at peace with their product if I wasn't left wondering if my cards might be fake, etc...
I am also rather concerned at their lack of response to issues like this. I would think it reasonable to at least address it.
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it'd be super...if I got to keep the card...and get a refund?!?!?!
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Fake Packs Authenticated by PSA and FBI Investigations and Fake PSA Slabs and Secret Service Investigations.... What could be next?

Maybe this guy knows?

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it'd be super...if I got to keep the card...and get a refund?!?!?!

But then you'd be dishonest too.
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But then you'd be dishonest too.
I think that if paypal issues a refund and doesn't request the card, it's yours.
Unless the seller wants it back after he serves his time.
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Yes, that's him.

The scammer in this thread is one of the biggest the hobby has ever seen. I gathered much more information about him after two failed scams against me over a year apart. I was the one that had a $40,000 deal in the works, figured it out, and alerted Leon. I've connected him to multiple alts on CU, net54, and blowoutcards. He has been doing this for many years and is now perfectly replicating PSA slabs as well. It's believed that he is operating out of Mexico and will be very hard to stop. He was the ring leader of the Cyrus Stivers case and Stivers never even met him nor knew who he was. He does everything from out of the country and uses other people as pawns, some of them don't even know they're selling fraudulent or stolen cards.
His best scam is putting authentic, trimmed/altered/lower grade cards into fake PSA slabs. These things look scary legit.
If you have ever dealt with this person, it's highly likely what you received was either stolen or counterfeit.
I've connected him to the following scams:


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/f...fool-me-1.html

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92552

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...99-robbed.html

All of the following are likely banned or inactive now but here's some of his various alts (I'll update this list as I learn more):
net54 = sportscollector, sam1952
blowoutcards = supercollector2012, expertcollector
CU = Will update this soon.

eBay ids: reedca76, moderncollector2012, encapsulated_icons, top_shelf_cards, highest-grade
I cant help but wonder if the scammer in question is related to the "Haiku" scam that was set up on Blowout as well. Haiku gave some great deals and was generally accepted as a "good guy" and ripped many off on the Blowout boards. There are epic threads over their discussing this scam but I could not find a name or location. I posted a thread asking for this information.
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Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/m...merge-172.html
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If only people used their powers for good instead of this bull...
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