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I must say the smugness and superiority of someone telling me I am REALLY a racist at some deep down level because I'm a white from a suburb is beyond offensive.
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Or the white cops that go into black neighborhoods every day to try to save black lives. Can you imagine someone having the cojones to tell those folks they are really racist?
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A less well known name change
Pekin is a town in Illinois.
A pekin duck is a white duck imported from China and is a recognized breed by that name. Pekin High School athletic teams formerly identified as the Pekin Ducks. I don't know if there mascot looked like Donald (Duck not Trump). Apparently the Chinese community became offended because people were eating Peking duck in Chinese restaurants. As a result of this kerfuffle, the Pekin High School teams abandoned the Duck are now referred to as the Pekin Dragons. Doesn't that make your hair stand on end. This could have been the start of a World War, but in central Illinois news travels slowly, not too many people really cared. i still like the Cleveland Eeries, even tho the season is over before Halloween night.
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Frank, the Pekin High "Chinks" not ducks. The Ducks were from Havana. The Pekin team were made famous by playing the Cobden Appleknockers for a state championship in the sixties. They changed the Chinks mascot shortly after that contest. |
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the Cleveland Indians...now the Guardians?
Another pathetic attempt to whitewash history using ignorant rationale as to what is offensive...The true offensiveness is that the name is not being changed because it is a benefit to the team, its just making the team
seem pathetic in that they cannot function in the cancel culture environment without caving in. All sports teams are of very little importance anyway, they are all greedy hypocrites |
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This is your briefest post ever.
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From a conference earlier this month
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Peter, I wish you could’ve seen when my moms side of the family (Catholic) met my dad’s side (Protestant) started discussing Oliver Cromwell.
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Absolutely agree. Truth is, there has been slavery going back thousands of years in the human race, and that involved people of all colors and nationalities. But today you don't really hear anyone still complaining about the Egyptians, Romans, Vikings, or any other dominant groups that had slavery as a given and accepted part of their culture in the past.
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Power and privilege accrues to the educated. Isn't that interesting.......
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...mporary_Africa The continent of Africa is one of the regions most rife with contemporary slavery. Slavery in Africa has a long history, within Africa since before historical records, but intensifying with the trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean slave trade and again with the trans-Atlantic slave trade; the demand for slaves created an entire series of kingdoms (such as the Ashanti Empire) which existed in a state of perpetual warfare in order to generate the prisoners of war necessary for the lucrative export of slaves. These patterns have persisted into the colonial period during the late 19th and early 20th century. Although the colonial authorities attempted to suppress slavery from about 1900, this had very limited success, and after decolonization, slavery continues in many parts of Africa despite being technically illegal. |
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The slaves that were brought here weren't captured by a bunch of white guys running around Africa. They were captured and sold by other (black) African people. So how is it all white people are somehow held responsible, while all black people are granted victim status? There were a lot of white people who vehemently opposed slavery, and a lot of black people who trafficked in it (and still do today according to the Wikipedia article I linked.) |
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The Indian nation consider themselves a 'people', a descendant race and heritage that would choose to not allow people to simply use the label for their own edification. So, just like there won't be a Chicago Jews, or San Fransisco Negroes, or Manhattan Muslims, Toronto Asians, New Orleans Africans or other such ridiculous and improper titling, it is reasonable IMO for others not to be able to appropriate and use however they like the naming label Indians - with whatever associations or marketing selling out they choose and with little care for the very proud nation of human beings inhabiting this land pre Western discovery. Would seem very easy to understand looking at what the Cleveland BBC did previously in creating the Chief Wahoo mascot. I don't get what people feel is such a hardship to give up, when you are offending people on the one hand, but could so easily remedy with having care over the language one uses. BTW, my vote would have been for Spiders too. Last edited by 68Hawk; 07-25-2021 at 09:58 PM. |
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Whither the Notre Dame Fighting Irish?
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Well that’s very apparent since Indians are in India and Native Americans are labeled as Indians because some chucklehead got his navigation all wrong. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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“Cancel culture” is the people that stormed the Capitol on January 6th right? To void an election in service to one person who doesn’t care about them one way or the other?
Just want to make sure I understand what “cancel culture” is on here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Interesting piece on the evolution/different meanings of the phrase.
https://www.vox.com/22384308/cancel-...ability-debate
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I need to stick to the cards.
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Maybe what the Cleveland BBC could have done was to check with people from India then to see if they had an issue with their nationality being used as the name for a professional sports team, and if not, just dump any association with the Chief Wahoo mascot or anything related to native Americans and simply declare from now on the Cleveland Indians moniker had nothing to do with native Americans anymore. As someone else pointed out, not all ethnic or other groups have an objection to the use of their name like that. At least I've never heard of anyone complaing about the Fighting Irish, Celtics, or the Vikings, among others.
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Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip the waitstaff! |
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Maybe it's active spellcheck at work but if you were indeed top of your class I would assume that you'd spell guerilla correctly...
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Well, the Cleveland BBC can do as they see fit. Free market and all. They also dumped Chief Wahoo ~3 years ago. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Saying that white people have privilege doesn't mean that they don't suffer, or that they can't be oppressed for other characteristics like sexuality, sex, being transgender, etc. It just means that they have privilege relative to people who aren't white.
For example, African-Americans have "the talk" with their kids, no matter how privileged they might be in other ways. Barack Obama had it with his kids. If you are black, the criminal justice system is biased against you, all the way from being profiled to the death penalty. There's lots of evidence to support this. The fact that I am at virtually no risk of being killed in an interaction with the police is a form of privilege. Or, on a more trivial note, swim caps designed for natural black hair were banned for the Olympics because FINA ruled that no athletes need “caps of such size” and the caps don’t follow “the natural form of the head”. This doesn't happen if you're white, because the decision about what kind of swim caps are appropriately sized or what "the natural form of the head" is are made by white people. Also it turns out that there's research on racism in baseball card collecting: https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...90952401000286 I just want to be clear that I'm not trying to accuse anyone of anything, I'm just trying to provide an explanation. This has sort of become a political thread, since the question of the extent of racism in America has always been a political one, but I am trying to be civil and I think it's an important discussion to have. Ted Clayton Quote:
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Here's a recent discussion that might be interesting:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/07/17/pr...k-lives-matter "Baseball is an expensive sport: Many play year-round, spending as much as $4,000 to play in the winter. They return to their high school teams more polished—and more likely to get playing time—than the kids who can’t afford the extra coaching. According to the Brookings Institution, the average net worth of a white family in 2016 was $171,000. The average net worth of a Black family was $17,150. That alone puts young Black players at a disadvantage." Does this mean that all white people have more money than all Black people? It does not. Does it mean that the system is full of white people actively working to keep Black people out of the sport? It does not. Does it mean that, overall, white people have an advantage that Black people don't because wealth in this country is tied to race? Yes. It's systemic, not based on intentionally racist actions by individuals. Also, there's research on whether race affects rookie card values for Hall of Fame players. Google "Race, performance, and baseball card values" and you should get it. Ted Clayton
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Also a good one. Or we could look at how likely people are to get mortgages, or many (too many) other things. Thanks for bringing this in.
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Or a small bunch of arachnophobes threatened the club
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Not a fan of name changes. Once all the so called offensive names have been changed the woke crowd will find something else to be offended by. The Orioles are offensive to bird lovers, etc. But a franchise is not defined by its name, it’s defined by its history. So change away.
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So before you are reprimanded for this, WTF? Do you really think you can threaten someone's life on this forum and not have any repercussions?
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The Navy Seal copypasta is a lengthy, comically written, aggressive attack paragraph against a "kiddo", written in the voice of the stereotypical "tough guy", listing absurd accomplishments such as having "over 300 confirmed kills" and being "trained in gorilla [sic] warfare". This copypasta is often reposted as a humorous overreaction to an insult and is thought to have originated in a post on a 4chan message board from 11 November 2010.When sdimag offered to "play", I figured he wasn't inviting me to his Friday night poker game and it amused me. Since the meme often comes up in these contexts, I used it it figuring that it was so comically over-exaggerated that it wouldn't confuse it for a real threat. But, being a belt and suspenders kinda guy, I added the link to the site that specifically identifies it as satirical. If you want me to edit it out or add a disclaimer, I will. |
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