OT: Did Adam Dunn ruin his Hall chances

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Dunn first AB a HR!


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[vthobby]

2 big reasons why he will not make the Hall:

Lifetime BA is .237. The lowest non pitcher average in Hall is Ray Schalk at .253 so this alone would keep him out.

The other reason is his nickname of "Big Donkey". No hall of famer exists with that nickname nor will there ever be one!

Peace, Mik

[BengoughingForAwhile]

Adam Dunn got traded? For the past week all the baseball fans in Chicago have been fixated on future HOFer Jorge Soler!

[Runscott]

David, for Dunn to achieve the worthy goal of 3000 hits, he would have to be a good hitter. Not shitty, not average, but either a long-lasting really good hitter, or a normal length career great hitter. Pick some other stat that merits hof consideration, but Dunn and 3000 hits is like saying what if Ozzie Smith got 300 home runs. It just isn't in the realm of possibility.

(You cannot imagine how long it took to type this on my galaxi mini, yet I still did so in a manner giving the appearance of having an iq greater than that of tree bark)

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[Runscott]

Above is referring to grammar, punctuation and spelling. David and Packs are otherwise tying my brain in a knot.

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[D. Bergin]

Ozzie Smith is a no-doubt HOF'er in my book.

Also, if you look at just about every peripheral stat of Ozzie, who I believe is tremendously under-rated offensively, Ozzie did all the little things that Dunn was never capable of.

Comparing Ozzie to Dunn is a study of how valuable it is to actually put the ball in in play and not strikeout. He did all the little things managers love from players who don't have a lot of pop. He hit sacrifice flys, at a much higher rate then big ol' Adam Dunn, he Sacrificed tons of runners over, he Walked at a much higher rate then he struck out, He stole a ton of bases pretty efficiently.

....oh, and the glove.

If you are going to say a guy only did one thing good, it's a pretty good push if he's also in the argument for "the best ever" in that category. Adam Dunn is not in that argument, not "all-time" and not in his era.

Regardless of whatever arbitrary numbers he might have hit in a certain timespan.

[cubsfan-budman]

One other thing, I think that a guy's HOF stock rises if you were "iconic" in some way. Ozzie Smith and Reggie Jackson certainly fall into this category. Good, intermittently awesome players, with a GREAT set of intangible things that make them "more" than the average player. I think the HOF should have tons of room for guys like that...just IMHO.

[vintagetoppsguy]

And another HR for Dunn. Just saying.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And another HR for Dunn. Just saying.

Solo homer. They still lost. Sorry man!

[Runscott]

Kevin, "making contact" is no easy feat - especially when the pitcher knows the consequences. Dunn gets as many walks as he does for a rwason.

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[HOF Auto Rookies]

What the Dunn!?


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[Runscott]

Peter - I can assure you I was not the only one. .262 is weak by almost anyone's standards. Just as thete are some who think there is an automatic induction number for career hr's, I naively thought there was an automatic exclusion level for batting average, and it had to be somewhere above .262


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Scott, he had over 550 home runs and was the most famous and notorious player of his generation. I don't recall any surprise whatsoever.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Peter - I can assure you I was not the only one. .262 is weak by almost anyone's standards. Just as thete are some who think there is an automatic induction number for career hr's, I naively thought there was an automatic exclusion level for batting average, and it had to be somewhere above .262


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Joe Tinker was voted in at .262. How were his power stats? And I bet there were a number of others with lower averages pre Reggie. Maranville -- .258. Another great slugger. Ray Schalk -- .253. Killebrew .256 -- surprised there too?

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Peter - I can assure you I was not the only one.

Of course not, or he would have gotten 100% of the voting.


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[Runscott]

Brent, the great thing is that everyone here respects everyone else's opinion

[Peter_Spaeth]

Scott, if he had scattered 200 more singles across 20 seasons, thereby raising his average to .280 or so, would that really make that much of a difference? It seems obvious to me (and most people) that Reggie is an easy choice for the HOF, as was Killebrew.

[packs]

I was just surprised by how much support Reggie got. More people who saw him play thought he was a HOFer than people who watched Ted Williams play. That seemed unusual to me. Though admittedly the margin is very slim.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Scott, if he had scattered 200 more singles across 20 seasons, thereby raising his average to .280 or so, would that really make that much of a difference? It seems obvious to me (and most people) that Reggie is an easy choice for the HOF, as was Killebrew.

Yeah, I know he's an easy choice for most. I got that. I'm listening to you and respect your opinion.

What if Reggie's lifetime batting average had been .240 or a little lower - would you still say he's a HOF'er?

More water and we eventually get to Adam Dunn.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Brent, the great thing is that everyone here respects everyone else's opinion

Yes sir! Love learning about everyone's opinions on players and the history of the game. Again, I do not think Dunn is a HOF'er. He has tremendous power though


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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Yes sir! Love learning about everyone's opinions on players and the history of the game. Again, I do not think Dunn is a HOF'er. He has tremendous power though


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So did Dave Kingman...If I had a choice with the game on the line, I would take even him over Dunn....

[Runscott]

In my mind that is correct - no chance for Dunn.

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[Runscott]

.262, Peter

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

.262, Peter

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Slugging average. On base percentage. MUCH better by those metrics which were known well before the fancy WAR and OPS stuff.

[Eric72]

Regardless of whether we're discussing the Hall of Fame, the Hall of Statistically Superior Players, or the Hall of Relevant Athletes Who Played Professional Baseball, I would like to believe that all of us can agree on one thing. Adam Dunn simply does not make the cut.

Best regards,

Eric

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Slugging average. On base percentage. MUCH better by those metrics which were known well before the fancy WAR and OPS stuff.

.262 - his batting average wasn't HOF-caliber. Other stuff certainly was.

He was really good, but not great. Once they let Jackson in with his weak batting average, it helped promote the idea that 500 HR's was enough, and that nothing else counted - certainly batting average didn't. You could say that Reggie is one of the reasons that some people are talking about Dunn. Batting average obviously isn't important anymore.

[chaddurbin]

this is 2014, please stop talking about batting averages. next thing we're going to argue about is whether a pitcher with 12 wins deserve to win the CY?

this thread is about 200+ posts too many. a simple "no...because no one thought he was hof-material to start with" in the 2nd post would've suffice.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

.262 - his batting average wasn't HOF-caliber. Other stuff certainly was.

He was really good, but not great. Once they let Jackson in with his weak batting average, it helped promote the idea that 500 HR's was enough, and that nothing else counted - certainly batting average didn't. You could say that Reggie is one of the reasons that some people are talking about Dunn. Batting average obviously isn't important anymore.

Killebrew was in a decade before Reggie with a BA in the .250s.

[Runscott]

That's true. I conveniently did not bring up Killebrew

Jackson was more consistent while Killebrew had some massive HR and RBI years - many more than Jackson. But you are right - .256 batting average was mediocre, and if I'm going to kick Jackson out for that, I would have to remove Killebrew as well. My bias is probably that I always liked Killebrew and never liked Jackson. Kind of a 'Kirby Puckett vs Albert Belle' sort of thing.

It would be an interesting exercise to de-vote members from the HOF each year, until it was about half it's current size. I think there are many members who would get kicked out before either Jackson or Killebrew.

[jbbama]

500 or not...i never thought he was HOF worthy

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Said he will most likely retire after this season, he would have been almost a lock for 500 HR's, now, since he won't reach that, is he a HOF'er?

http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...eason?v=1&vc=1


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He has no chance. Think Dave Kingman.