T206 green Cobb with CYCLE 350 back sells for 3K....some one was FAKED-OUT !

CMIZ5290 · #1 05-25-2012, 09:16 AM

truly amazing....what a shame it is to have to worry about these freaking morons in the hobby we all love so much.....

danmckee · #2 05-25-2012, 09:43 AM

I hate to break this to you but this card is only graded "Authentic" by PSA.

And technically both the front and back are Authentic!

The combination just can't exist.

So, is this card graded wrong? Or shouldn't be graded?

I am not sure of the answer but it is tough to argue with Authentic when the entire card is actually Authentic.

Dan

barrysloate · #3 05-25-2012, 10:00 AM

Interesting point Dan, because if I remember correctly the well known Just So Burkett was restored using a different card for its border, and it's also in an AUTHENTIC-ALTERED holder. But something is different with these two examples.

It's pretty clear what was done to the Burkett, and anyone owning it should know it's the product of two different cards. But in the case of the green Cobb/Cycle, wouldn't one assume that the card was issued with a Cycle back and then some alteration took place after the fact?

I believe with Burkett PSA made a conscious decision with its designation; in the case of the Cobb they made a bad mistake. My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab.

tedzan · #4 05-25-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

Interesting point Dan, because if I remember correctly the well known Just So Burkett was restored using a different card for its border, and it's also in an AUTHENTIC-ALTERED holder. But something is different with these two examples.

It's pretty clear what was done to the Burkett, and anyone owning it should know it's the product of two different cards. But in the case of the green Cobb/Cycle, wouldn't one assume that the card was issued with a Cycle back and then some alteration took place after the fact?

I believe with Burkett PSA made a conscious decision with its designation; in the case of the Cobb they made a bad mistake. My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab.

Barry Sloate said it best here back in Post #8......

" My opinion is neither one should reside in a slab. "

These re-fronted creations are no longer an original T206 (as printed 100+ years ago). Assigning them the status of "Altered" does not cut it (excuse the pun).
What do we have here, TPG people now trying to be "lawyers", so they can cover their a$$'s ?

Crack these phony cards out of their plastic and burn them. Better yet, save yourself the trouble of cracking them open.....just take an axe to the plastic and
shatter it into 100 fragments.

vintagetoppsguy · #5 05-25-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

These re-fronted creations are no longer an original T206 (as printed 100+ years ago). Assigning them the status of "Altered" does not cut it (excuse the pun).

I agree. That goes beyond ALTERED. However, we learned from the PSA apologists in the "Moral of story..." thread, PSA's "opinion is clearly relevant" and everyones elses is irrelevant in identifying ALTERED cards.

Funny how that thread fell to the bottom of the page so quickly.

Cardboard Junkie · #6 05-25-2012, 11:09 PM

Aloha Leon.....may be biting the hand that feeds some but I would like to suggest a TPG Bash section so we all can show and tell the abominations that are the results of TPG ...and we don't have to worry about our posts getting burried on the bottom or next page. dave.

barrysloate · #7 05-26-2012, 05:25 AM

The problem with slabbing this card as AUTHENTIC is bidders may factor in a significant premium for the Cycle back, and it isn't warranted.

john.clowes · #8 05-26-2012, 07:51 AM

Wouldn't SGC label the card as 'skinned' or 'rebacked'? Seems like that would be a more accurate description.

calvindog · #9 05-26-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

The problem with slabbing this card as AUTHENTIC is bidders may factor in a significant premium for the Cycle back, and it isn't warranted.

So obviously true. How crazy that this card was labeled Authentic? Misleading. Disgraceful. If I bought this card, I'd sue PSA tomorrow.

CW · #10 05-26-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

The problem with slabbing this card as AUTHENTIC is bidders may factor in a significant premium for the Cycle back, and it isn't warranted.

I would agree. Even though the card looked really nice, in an authentic holder that card would likely sell for under $1K if it had a standard Sweet Cap or Piedmont back.

alanu · #11 05-25-2012, 10:00 AM

I've looked at both the SGC and PSA websites and don't see anywhere they give the standards for their "Authentic" grades, it would be helpful if they had a description similar to the standards/descriptions for their other "grades".

danmckee · #12 05-25-2012, 10:04 AM

Well stated Barry! I truly appreciate your input. A very interesting thought and I see your points. Dan.

barrysloate · #13 05-25-2012, 10:08 AM

Thanks Dan....no way that Cobb should be in a holder.

CW · #14 05-25-2012, 12:53 PM

It's interesting to note that the auction description does not mention the impossible f/b combo, but does mention an erased and re-drawn line on the front. Should the auction house be responsible (for lack of a better word) to know this fact and disclose it in the auction? Would such disclosure have an effect on ending price?

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Almost dead centered 1909-11 T206 Ty Cobb (Portrait-Green) has been slabbed AUTHENTIC - ALTERED by PSA. Stunning color with awesome image of Cobb. Corners present EX-MT to NM. Super clean both front and back. Centered close to 50/50 all the way around. The black border on the right side of the image has been erased then re-drawn. Tremendous eye appeal for this filler. Cycle 350 ad back.

rainier2004 · #15 05-25-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CW

It's interesting to note that the auction description does not mention the impossible f/b combo, but does mention an erased and re-drawn line on the front. Should the auction house be responsible (for lack of a better word) to know this fact and disclose it in the auction? Would such disclosure have an effect on ending price?

Id say yes and not sure as I dont collect t206's...but if I were spending 3k on a card I think Id look up possible front/back combos before doing so.

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