T206 "ELITE EIGHT"....but then there were SEVEN

[tedzan]

Shown here, I have provided the current data from SGC's pop reports of these 8 cards. Can some one here please provide the corresponding
data from the PSA pop reports ?

Of course, there is no way of knowing from these numbers how many times these cards have been re-graded.


Subject ............. P 350 ....... EPDG ........... P 150 ...... SOV 150 ...... SC 150 ....... HINDU

DAHLEN ................ X ............. 1 ................. 28 ............. 1 .............. 17 .............. 1

EWING ................. 1 .............. 5 ................. 53 ............. 6 .............. 40 .............. 3

GANLEY ................ 6 ............. 4 ................. 48 .............. 6 .............. 36 .............. 6

T. JONES .............. 4 ............. 3 ................. 64 .............. 4 .............. 39 .............. 3

KARGER ................ 3 ............. 4 ................. 46 .............. 7 .............. 25 .............. 0

LINDAMAN ............ 1 ............. 3 ................. 58 ............... 1 .............. 24 .............. 6

MULLIN ................ X ............. 1 ................. 37 .............. X .............. 16 .............. 0

SCHULTE .............. 0 ............. 0 ................. 47 .............. 1 .............. 13 .............. 5


NOTE

I substituted " X " for Dahlen in the P 350 and Mullin in the P 350 and SOV 150 columns, since the SGC pop report shows NO graded cards
for these respective backs on these two cards.

My collection includes Dahlen with a P 350 card. And, three Mullin cards....one P 350 card and two SOV 150 cards.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

I was asked my opinion about the Schulte being scrap. From the scans I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that it is scrap. It may be, but it's not evident to me from the scan.

[White Borders]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

I was asked my opinion about the Schulte being scrap. From the scans I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that it is scrap. It may be, but it's not evident to me from the scan.

Hope y'all don't mind that I took the liberty of creating a poll on whether or not it's scrap

Best Regards

[tedzan]

Thanks for posting the PSA pop report data on these 8 cards. It's interesting to compare the numbers between the PSA and SGC data for the various backs.

Unfortunately, we cannot distinguish the PIEDMONT 150 vs. the PIEDMONT 350 cards from the PSA info.

TED Z

[tedzan]

There is a SOVEREIGN 150 Mullin currently on ebay that also has the " DOT " on it that I think you are alluding to........

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-So...-/150583220279

Check-it out.


Best regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by White Borders

Hope y'all don't mind that I took the liberty of creating a poll on whether or not it's scrap

A more meaningful and representative poll would have simply asked these two questions........

Do you think this Schulte card is Hand-Cut ?

Do you think this Schulte card is Factory-Cut ?


I posted this ELITE EIGHT thread in order to stir up some thought-provoking responses regarding these unique 8 cards (9 if you include Lundgren).

But...."A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to this Forum"....this thread was "de-railed" by a frivolous poll.


Anyhow, let's get back on topic here ...... Talkin' T206's ...... is this Schulte card for real, or is it just an anomaly in the world of T206's ?

And if it is for real, where is its EL PRINCIPE DE GALES counterpart ? Until this Schulte is confirmed with the EPDG back, there are at least 4 long-
term T206 collectors who are very skeptical of this PIEDMONT 350 Schulte card as having ever been a standard production card....and, that it was
inserted into a PIEDMONT cigarette pack.


TED Z

[FrankWakefield]

That Schulte card looks to me like a worn factory cut card. I've seen a bunch of white border cards that would have the edges like that. For us to be currently unaware of a EPDG version isn't a reason for me to think that Schulte is hand cut... So I find myself agreeing with Tim, that the Schulte is a factory cut. I think he's right about that.

Seeing "T206Resource.com" in big blue letters in this thread, or any thread, is shameless... ranks up there with the incomplete acknowledgements.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

That Schulte card looks to me like a worn factory cut card. I've seen a bunch of white border cards that would have the edges like that. For us to be currently unaware of a EPDG version isn't a reason for me to think that Schulte is hand cut... So I find myself agreeing with Tim, that the Schulte is a factory cut. I think he's right about that.

I agree that it looks like a worn factory-cut, but (Ted - sorry to derail slightly) I think a nicely-hand-cut version would have evolved to the same state;e.g-the Plank that everyone but the T206resource.com owners have discussed....due to my "tone".

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Seeing "T206Resource.com" in big blue letters in this thread, or any thread, is shameless... ranks up there with the incomplete acknowledgements.

I'm sorry - it was a dry joke that I didn't feel like telegraphing. But I agree with you again

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

You can eliminate one Ewing EPDG off the PSA pop report. I have crossed it into a SGC holder.

I don't think that I need to point out that this is a big reason why these pop reports can only being taken with minimal accuracy.

Lee

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Shown here, I have provided the current data from SGC's pop reports of these 8 cards. Can some one here please provide the corresponding
data from the PSA pop reports ?

Of course, there is no way of knowing from these numbers how many times these cards have been re-graded.


Subject ............. P 350 ....... EPDG ........... P 150 ...... SOV 150 ...... SC 150 ....... HINDU

MULLIN ................ X ............. 1 ................. 37 .............. X .............. 16 .............. 0


NOTE

I substituted " X " for Mullin in the P 350 and SOV 150 columns, since the SGC pop report shows NO graded cards for these two backs.
My collection has three Mullin cards....one P 350 card and two SOV 150 cards.


TED Z

Ted, that EPDG Mullin number really surprises me. Weird that a few showed up this year, when the pop report would indicate they are scarce.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ted, that EPDG Mullin number really surprises me. Weird that a few showed up this year, when the pop report would indicate they are scarce.

I have a raw EPDG Mullin for what it's worth. More than I thought apparently.

[White Borders]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Can some one here please provide the corresponding
data from the PSA pop reports ?
TED Z

Ted,

PSA pop report is now available with free registration. I've been dabbling in it but still haven't quite figured out if there is a way to break out the different series (example: It just shows total Piedmont but doesn't break out the P150 from the P350). Anyways, here is what I just pulled up (it was quicker to convert them to images than for me to try to remember something about formatting html tables!):

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Shown here, I have provided the current data from SGC's pop reports of these 8 cards. Can some one here please provide the corresponding
data from the PSA pop reports ?

>>>>>> Of course, there is no way of knowing from these numbers how many times these cards have been re-graded. <<<<<<


Subject ............. P 350 ....... EPDG ........... P 150 ...... SOV 150 ...... SC 150 ....... HINDU

DAHLEN ................ X ............. 1 ................. 28 ............. 1 .............. 17 .............. 1

EWING ................. 1 .............. 5 ................. 53 ............. 6 .............. 40 .............. 3

GANLEY ................ 6 ............. 4 ................. 48 .............. 6 .............. 36 .............. 6

T. JONES .............. 4 ............. 3 ................. 64 .............. 4 .............. 39 .............. 3

KARGER ................ 3 ............. 4 ................. 46 .............. 7 .............. 25 .............. 0

LINDAMAN ............ 1 ............. 3 ................. 58 ............... 1 .............. 24 .............. 6

MULLIN ................ X ............. 1 ................. 37 .............. X .............. 16 .............. 0

SCHULTE .............. 0 ............. 0 ................. 47 .............. 1 .............. 13 .............. 5


NOTE

I substituted " X " for Dahlen in the P 350 and Mullin in the P 350 and SOV 150 columns, since the SGC pop report shows NO graded cards
for these respective backs on these two cards.

My collection includes Dahlen with a P 350 card. And, three Mullin cards....one P 350 card and two SOV 150 cards.


TED Z

LEE....well said in post #39

" You can eliminate one Ewing EPDG off the PSA pop report. I have crossed it into a SGC holder.

I don't think that I need to point out that this is a big reason why these pop reports can only being taken with minimal accuracy. "

Lee



Although, I posted these SGC numbers (for comparison sake) ...... I'm in complete agreement with you regarding POP reports.


TED Z