Dmitri Young got some PSA love...

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by michael3322

"So when Horton's PSA 9 card popped up on eBay for $400, buying it was a no-brainer. Young sent it to PSA three times, asking that they bump it up to a 10. The third time they did."

And you flip buyers wonder why we raw guys find grading so laughable?

If I buy a 3 and sent it in enough times to make it a 4, could I then send it in enough times to make it a 5? Etc?

Doug

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Also, thats digusting that psa would upgrade a 9 to a 10. That end of the spectrum always seemed so much more black and white to me then the 1 to 2 end. What do I know?

9/10 is much more subjective vs a 1 and 2

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

And you flip buyers wonder why we raw guys find grading so laughable?

If I buy a 3 and sent it in enough times to make it a 4, could I then send it in enough times to make it a 5? Etc?
Doug

gross generalization to again bash grading.

[ScottFandango]

delmon young got suspended for a year in the minors for attacking a player with his bat....that guy has serious issues...not to mention he is a HUGE UNDERACHIEVER onthe field!

L O S E R

[howard38]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

delmon young got suspended for a year in the minors for attacking a player with his bat....that guy has serious issues...not to mention he is a HUGE UNDERACHIEVER onthe field!

L O S E R

Here it is. It was an umpire and he was suspended for fifty games but he should have been arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCX_XlRYYDo

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by howard38

Here it is. It was an umpire and he was suspended for fifty games but he should have been arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCX_XlRYYDo

"Look he finally hit something with his bat".

Best comment on the video

PSA YOU SUCK. That is BS that they would bump it for him. Not like he didn't pull some strings. Pretty sad that they have such a following and have destroyed the market with bullshit cards. PSA 4 with pin holes, PSA 5 and 6 with paper loss, Trimmed/Altered Wagner and many MANY MANY MANY MANY MORE F'ED UP CARDS. Karma is a B

This is no different than theft. JMO

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by howard38

Here it is. It was an umpire and he was suspended for fifty games but he should have been arrested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCX_XlRYYDo

Maybe if Delmon collected cards like his bro he'd mellow out. He just got in trouble for getting in a fight in NY and shouting anti Semitic slurs. Dimitri is supposed to be a good guy though, right?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

He just got in trouble for getting in a fight in NY and shouting anti Semitic slurs.

Paging Mel Gibson. Mr. Gibson, white courtesy phone...

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Paging Mel Gibson. Mr. Gibson, white courtesy phone...

HAHAHA.


Didn't Young charge people to see his collection in prior years? Or was this already mentioned?

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

...gross generalization to again bash grading.

Actually, it was not a gross generalization, it was a joke.

But, yes, it was meant to bash grading.

Doug

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

9/10 is much more subjective vs a 1 and 2



gross generalization to again bash grading.

agreed, grading is gross.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

And you flip buyers wonder why we raw guys find grading so laughable?

If I buy a 3 and sent it in enough times to make it a 4, could I then send it in enough times to make it a 5? Etc?

Doug

Doug, I collected raw '10's as a kid. I had tons of them: Mantles, Clementes, you name it. I even took especially good care of the future HOF'ers like Mantle. Still, they somehow ended up in much lower grades.

I think having a NM multi-thousand-dollar card in a protective numbered slab is probably a pretty good idea, even if there is some 'flip' corruption at that level.

But I agree that 3's are fine raw - that's how I collect them as well.

[howard38]

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[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by howard38

Value added to cards is fine for the owner but it sucks for the buyer.

Which is why I would be perfectly happy if my collection was worthless.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

But I agree that 3's are fine raw - that's how I collect them as well.

All of mine are raw. None of them have numbers. Many of them HAD numbers, many up to 8's and 9's.

I will admit to once buying a PSA 10 McGwire rookie for $1800 and flipping it for $3600. I enjoyed the money slightly less that I enjoyed the fact that some schmuck had paid me that much (probably a similar thought to that of the guy who sold it to me).

Doug

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

All of mine are raw. None of them have numbers. Many of them HAD numbers, many up to 8's and 9's.

I will admit to once buying a PSA 10 McGwire rookie for $1800 and flipping it for $3600. I enjoyed the money slightly less that I enjoyed the fact that some schmuck had paid me that much (probably a similar thought to that of the guy who sold it to me).

Doug

Hey, don't feel bad about liking money - everyone likes money, except for that baby in the commercial.

That is gutsy, de-slabbing 9's

[travrosty]

i love de=slabbing. who needs it, we know what condition the card is in, we have eyes. its the same card whether in a slab or out of a slab.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i love de=slabbing. who needs it, we know what condition the card is in, we have eyes. its the same card whether in a slab or out of a slab.

Sometimes grading companies catch things we collectors don't. SGC has saved me 10's of thousands of dollars over the years and BVG has saved me some money too. I like having their second sets of eyes looking at my raw purchases. I will only buy expensive raw cards with a guarantee of a numerical grade by one of the top 3 grading companies. It works for me but if you hate grading.....God love you....it's ok. Do what makes you happy and comfortable.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

That is gutsy, de-slabbing 9's

I would have no hesitation to remove a 10 from it's slab, if I had one, I only buy cards for prices I like, and for prices I like, I like raw.

The 10 McGwire was a fluke purchase based on an obviously impending bubble in the market. I only owned it for 4 or 5 days.

Doug

[drc]

In my opinion, 10s should have better than 50/50 centering.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by drc

In my opinion, 10s should have better than 50/50 centering.

Laughing out loud.

In all 3 dimensions.

[glynparson]

Almost everyone that sells Psa cards or has sold PSA cards for years knows you can get bumps. Guess what you can at SGC too. Its an opinion of course it can change and vary from person to person. Also 10 does not mean perfect that is where some of you are having problems. I have never seen a perfect regular issue tops card they all have something wrong. Also someone complained about rough cuts for the millionth time i will state beckett is the only grading company that downgrades for rough cuts. There are so many things to legitametly bash about grading, (favors, grading fake or altered cards).

[Clutch-Hitter]

It should not be possible for a nine to increase to a ten. It's much different than a lesser grade increasing to a higher grade, but never to a ten. The card in question was reviewed multiple times and each time the grader saw a flaw. Therefore, for it to increase to a ten, the flaw(s) vanished while the card was sealed inside the case or the grading standards were lowered for that card.

However, I am one who likes grading nonetheless and have used each of the three, PSA more so and will continue.

[glynparson]

under psa guidelines a 10 can have a flaw
10 does not equal flawless, you are wrong if you think this

[travrosty]

but how can you have a ragged edge on a 54 topps hank aaron and have it be a 10?

even though all those cards have ragged edges, i thought a 10 would have to have straight edges, even though none of those would qualify for a 10, then so what? does there have to be a 10? like he said there is no ten valenzuela, or nolan ryan. how can a ragged edge be a ten, the same for the OPC gretzky 10 that sold for 90,000 dollars, had chipping on the edges. how can that be?

that's why it is so subjective on psa's part and so open to their whim of the day. and that's why it stinks.

[doug.goodman]

...Also 10 does not mean perfect that is where some of you are having problems...

Oh, I see, my mistake.

So, just a question to make sure I understand correctly, if I have a 10 that isn't perfect, and another card that actually is perfect, what would the second card grade?

Would it get...

Hold on...

Wait for it...

An eleven?

Raw-ly yours,
Doug

[travrosty]

what if they found a 54 aaron just like that one only with a perfect cut right edge. what's that, an 11? who can say one doesn't exist? does the opc gretzky with the rough cut edge that got a 10 and sold for a bajillion dollars make it as a 10 because no other opc rookie gretzky's have a straight edge and no flaking? looks like straight edge ones exist as proof below.

If one comes up with no flaking, I guess we have an 11 on our hands.

so the flaky, rough edge gets a 10 and this other one gets a 9.5 with a straght edge.

what's the deal here? why did the psa graded gretzky get a 10 again?

grading stinks.