Rankings of the rarest T206 Cards (NOT BACKS!)

I have pics of 4 wagners at the Balt national and that's where I seen the 2 planks. The one missing ink and then a normal. I have pics somewhere. May search and post them later. I have always wanted a plank. Just a bad ass card IMO

[CMIZ5290]

Would like to see this post but pertaining rarity in high grades, say higher than a psa 6/ sgc 80.....

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I have pics of 4 wagners at the Balt national and that's where I seen the 2 planks. The one missing ink and then a normal. I have pics somewhere. May search and post them later. I have always wanted a plank. Just a bad ass card IMO

hey please post pic if you can of these cards you had see in the balt national.

Hope 1 day to travel to the national in baltimore and see a Wagner in person.... i never saw this card in real....

[Runscott]

Again, look at the numbers for the supposedly 'easier' versions of the variations. Both the PSA pop reports and the numbers available on ebay will surprise you. I've posted the PSA pop numbers for some of them before and there wasn't any ensuing discussion, so I'll refrain, but if you really believe that what's available on ebay really reflects actual population, you'll be surprised by those numbers as well.

A few ebay line scores:

Elberfeld portrait is currently 3-1 in favor of Washington. Lundgren is 10-6, Kansas City leads Chicago. Dahlen - Boston 5-4 over Brooklyn. Kleinow Boston leads New York 8-5.

[E93]

There are definitely fewer Wagners than Planks. I don't think there is any question. I think ballpark rough estimates would put Wagner at 60 give or take a few, and Plank at roughly 100. Magie is probably in the 150-200 range.

One cannot make accurate estimates based on the number of examples at one particular show. It makes much more sense to see how many have been publicly offered over a ten year period or longer. After all, didn't REA have four Planks in one auction last year (or the year before?).
JimB

[danmckee]

I think the Plank and Wagner numbers are closer than you think. Remember, when a Wagner lands into an advanced collection, it stays usually. The Planks are traded more often due to value. I figure Wagner 60 - 70 examples and Plank 80 - 90 examples. You can't really judge by how many have come to market. Several Wagners were acquired years ago in the 1970s by advanced collectors and are still in those collections.

How can O'Hara and Demmit be tougher than the Magie error as the list shows??

[travrosty]

I remember many years ago the number of wagners was put at about 25-30, now it's double that, I wonder how many more are out there that are undiscovered, or in private hands that haven't been revealed yet?

Unless someone opens up a shoe box and 300 Wagner's spill out, a few more being discoverred every decade won't really affect the value since demand far outstrips supply and not more than one is really offered at any one time with several months passing before the next offering.

With Goodwin and REA having Wagner's for auction, smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[E93]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I think the Plank and Wagner numbers are closer than you think. Remember, when a Wagner lands into an advanced collection, it stays usually. The Planks are traded more often due to value. I figure Wagner 60 - 70 examples and Plank 80 - 90 examples. You can't really judge by how many have come to market. Several Wagners were acquired years ago in the 1970s by advanced collectors and are still in those collections.

Good point. Individual Wagner examples probably remain in their respective collections much longer.
JimB

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by E93

Good point. Individual Wagner examples probably remain in their respective collections much longer.
JimB

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Many of these Plank or Wagner disapear for 10 or 15 years in private collection... when you spend a lot of money on a card, it is normaly for flip it quick, normaly it is for stay in collection.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I think the Plank and Wagner numbers are closer than you think. Remember, when a Wagner lands into an advanced collection, it stays usually. The Planks are traded more often due to value. I figure Wagner 60 - 70 examples and Plank 80 - 90 examples. You can't really judge by how many have come to market. Several Wagners were acquired years ago in the 1970s by advanced collectors and are still in those collections.

How can O'Hara and Demmit be tougher than the Magie error as the list shows??

+1, esp. the 1970s thing.

Edited to add: I'd definitely advance the Evers batting blue sky version as one of the tougher HOFers. Took me a while to find one. I got the others pretty easily. So how would everyone rank the HOFers [excluding the Wagner-Plank-Cobb/Cobb] for scarcity? I'd be curious how everyone's experience finding them compares to mine.

[sreader3]

The 2006 list that Paul cites above was based on a blend of my 2004-2006 eBay survey data and the PSA pop report--the latter weighted prior to blending to compensate for the fact that higher-priced cards are (or at least as of 2006 were) submitted to PSA more often.

I have since come to believe that Magie is more difficult than Demmitt (St. L) and O'Hara (St.L). And although he does not make the Top 50, I seem to recall that Evers (Blue Sky) was the most difficult HOFer, save for Wagner and Plank [and of course Cobb (Cobb Back) if he is deemed a separate subject].