Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[chaddurbin]

to me it looks like the same sig. i'm hoping for OP's sake psa does the right thing here, which history tells us is about 50/50. i would not be surprised if the cert # is suddenly gone from psa database in a couple weeks...but let the process play out.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

to me it looks like the same sig. i'm hoping for OP's sake psa does the right thing here, which history tells us is about 50/50. i would not be surprised if the cert # is suddenly gone from psa database in a couple weeks...but let the process play out.

The easier way for PSA, like I mentioned in a prior post, is to examine the Cobb, if they determine it is fake they reimburse Don. They keep the Cobb and destroy it and keep it in the database, thus admitting no error and never having to answer any questions about it.

[Donavon]

Okay.....I finally received word from PSA/DNA on the Cobb cut signature. The cut was, in fact, deemed a forgery. After a lengthy discussion with the operations manager, it seems that there is an amazing forger out there. The cut was not a laser copy as previously speculated, but a well made forgery by someone with a very skilled hand. PSA/DNA will be sending the cut back to me to do as I wish. They will also be removing it from their authentic data base, & reimbursing me for my troubles. So.....for all the negative attention, I would have to say that PSA/DNA did their job thoroughly. No one tried to cover up anything & they corrected their mistake, unlike what some have insinuated. We as human beings make mistakes, but to be honest & correct those mistakes takes a great deal of integrity. Therefore, I am quite pleased at the way PSA has handled the situation all together. You can also rest assured that this particular cut will never again see the marketplace. Thanks to everyone, especially Leon, for making me aware of the issue & helping me to get this situation fixed.

Sincerely,
Donavon

[travrosty]

Thank you for your response, Donovan.

[travrosty]

Donovan,

funny how they can tell an exact copy was in a forgers hand and not cobbs?

wonder what the tell tale signals were? if it was the exact same form as the original, how do they know cobb didnt sign it?

must be a thorough forger to add those several stray dots in the same spots as was shown in ron's example.

my view.

I don't suppose we can get specifics from psa on how they came to the conclusion it was a forgery when they couldn't tell the first time. What tipped them off this time?

I am not badgering you Donovan, I am badgering PSA because this doesn't sound right to me.

If you arent doing anything with it, could you mark it forgery on the back, and loan it to me for a week so i can see it? i would be very interested in checking it out.

again, you sent it to psa, and you got your response from them, so i have nothing against you.

travis

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Donovan,

funny how they can tell an exact copy was in a forgers hand and not cobbs?

wonder what the tell tale signals were? if it was the exact same form as the original, how do they know cobb didnt sign it?

must be a thorough forger to add those several stray dots in the same spots as was shown in ron's example.

my view.

I don't suppose we can get specifics from psa on how they came to the conclusion it was a forgery when they couldn't tell the first time. What tipped them off this time?

I am not badgering you Donovan, I am badgering PSA because this doesn't sound right to me.

If you arent doing anything with it, could you mark it forgery on the back, and loan it to me for a week so i can see it? i would be very interested in checking it out.

again, you sent it to psa, and you got your response from them, so i have nothing against you.

travis

Travis,

I do not know what their tell tale signals were. I was fooled myself, as the cut had indentation on the back of the paper, showing someone had written it. As for the print dots, I have no idea either. Mr. Keurajian's also had a couple others that mine did not, so that wasn't definitive for me either. The cut will be destroyed via flame as soon as it is returned. It will not be allowed to once again find itself in the marketplace under any circumstances. I will say this.....I believe that there was more than just PSA staff re-evaluating this cut. So.....as for me sending it......that's a big NO GO. I do not want this fake surviving in any way, shape, or form.

P.S.- It does make me wonder though, how a forgery found it's way in books from the 30's & 40's that contained authentic Goudey cards within it's pages as well.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

I do not know what their tell tale signals were. I was fooled myself, as the cut had indentation on the back of the paper, showing someone had written it. As for the print dots, I have no idea either. Mr. Keurajian's also had a couple others that mine did not, so that wasn't definitive for me either. The cut will be destroyed via flame as soon as it is returned. It will not be allowed to once again find itself in the marketplace under any circumstances. I will say this.....I believe that there was more than just PSA staff re-evaluating this cut. So.....as for me sending it......that's a big NO GO. I do not want this fake surviving in any way, shape, or form.

P.S.- It does make me wonder though, how a forgery found it's way in books from the 30's & 40's that contained authentic Goudey cards within it's pages as well.

But if you send it to me, and i study it, then i send it back, how will it find its way into the marketplace? unless you think i am going to keep it. i assure you i wouldn't. neither would richard simon. do you not want someone else to look at it for fear of what they might find and that finding might be different than what psa said?

remember, trusting psa's re-examination has to be with a grain of salt, because they are the ones who got it wrong in the first place. how about giving someone else a chance?

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Thank you for your response, Donovan.

Your welcome, Travis. And I will still post those Williams' auto pictures for you once I return home.

[travrosty]

great. thanks, again, nothing personal, if psa screwed up the first time by giving it a cert, that is their fault, not yours.

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

great. thanks, again, nothing personal, if psa screwed up the first time by giving it a cert, that is their fault, not yours.

They are human. They made a mistake. They fixed their mistake. I cannot hold ill will towards them for being human. They at least admitted & corrected that mistake. Alot of other companies would have not done that. Just saying......Even the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown once housed fakes & that was long before PSA/DNA or JSA.