Impossible Ty Cobb autographed ball passed by JSA and PSA

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

How can something that doesn't exist be destroyed? PSA is scheduled next week to visit HA (Heritage Auctions). That Ty Cobb has not been examined by either PSA or JSA.

Why wasn't there a photo of the PSA and JSA Auction Letter next to the photo of the Ty Cobb baseball? I didn't see it in the HA Preview Listing.

Can any of you show me a recent PSA Auction Letter? PSA has not issued Auction Letters for years.

What a bunch of Know It Alls we have here.

As for you, Egbeachley, if you're going to make a statement like that, please post your full name.

Screengrab from article says "Full LOA from PSA/DNA and Auction LOA from JSA". It doesn't say anything about a PSA auction letter.

That is being very specific. I'm not sure how you can be so definitive that there is none without just coming out and saying Heritage is lying.

Eric

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Screengrab from article says "Full LOA from PSA/DNA and Auction LOA from JSA". It doesn't say anything about a PSA auction letter.

That is being very specific. I'm not sure how you can be so definitive that there is none without just coming out and saying Heritage is lying.

Eric

I know, Eric, you were just following Travis' lead.

But I was referring to this statement that you wrote; "Now that they have been caught it will be burned and removed from their records."

Eric, can you prove that "It will be burned and removed from their records?"

Of course you can't, because there isn't a full LOA or Auction Letter from anyone.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I know, Eric, you were just following Travis' lead.

But I was referring to this statement that you wrote; "Now that they have been caught it will be burned and removed from their records."

Eric, can you prove that "It will be burned and removed from their records?"

Of course you can't, because there isn't a full LOA or Auction Letter from anyone.

Fair enough. There will be no burning at the stake since there is no LOA. I take that back.

Thanks for the great response from Heritage. It was a good lesson in how the process works.

[travrosty]

First of all, I have shown where the put those pre-authentication statements on items that were live. So heritage didnt tell the entire story.

second, it worked, the hobby worked again, if they are going to change the way they do it, then they realize that what they were doing is confusing/not going to work. Hurray!

A few of us swimming against the tide, who saw something we thought was wrong, got heritage to do the right thing. While taking arrows and personal digs all the way from those who want the status quo to continue and want to protect the auction houses and authenticators.

It still wasn't explained why psa or jsa allowed heritage to do it this way. If they would have simply said 'no, you cannot put our name on the item when we havent looked at it yet', then heritage would have had to do the impossible and hire a few temps to add the authentication tag lines on the last day.

[GrayGhost]

I think Heritage did a GREAT job explaining, but yes, I do agree w Travis in that they shouldn't put that up, when it seemingly is easy to add a tag line before the auction becomes live, even if a lot of items.

[sayhey24]

I don't normally get involved in threads about the authenticity of autographs, because that is not my area of expertise. But, the response from Heritage so astounded me, that I had to reply.

True, the ball is not yet for sale, but that description makes it crystal clear to anyone of "reasonable intelligence" that Heritage believes this is an amazing ball. Anyone of "reasonable intelligence" would believe after reading the description that the LOA had already been issued, as it clearly states in the description. I can't imagine it's a sound business model for any company in America to put things on its website that at the time they are written may or may not be true, or in the case of the statement about the ball having an LOA, are patently false.

It's also rather scary that people at a major auction house couldn't tell with just a casual glance that this is not a 1959 Wilson baseball. And while the description references that the ball was likely signed during Cobb's return to Cooperstown for the 20th anniversary of the 1939 induction ceremony, it took me about 15 seconds on the internet to determine that the 1959 HOF induction ceremony was on July 20, not on July 14 as it says on the ball (highly unlikely that Cobb showed up six days early).

Greg

[ss]

Quoting SeyHey: "I don't normally get involved in threads about the authenticity of autographs, because that is not my area of expertise. But, the response from Heritage so astounded me, that I had to reply...."

Totally agree with SeyHey. heritage should just acknlowledge it made a mistake, and corrected it as soon as they becam aware. Why lie when the truth sounds so much better?

[BrandonG]

Originally Posted by ss

Quoting SeyHey: "I don't normally get involved in threads about the authenticity of autographs, because that is not my area of expertise. But, the response from Heritage so astounded me, that I had to reply...."

Totally agree with SeyHey. heritage should just acknlowledge it made a mistake, and corrected it as soon as they becam aware. Why lie when the truth sounds so much better?

+1...Great post SeyHey. Here's the original description from Heritage. How the rest of you are defending Heritage, I don't know. This is pretty straight forward, had they said it was a mistake I would have said great, thanks for that, you guys are top notch.

When I read the below description, I think that PSA/DNA has looked at the item and authenticated it, not that it's a preview and maybe it will be authenticated maybe not.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

+1...Great post SeyHey. Here's the original description from Heritage. How the rest of you are defending Heritage, I don't know. This is pretty straight forward, had they said it was a mistake I would have said great, thanks for that, you guys are top notch.

When I read the below description, I think that PSA/DNA has looked at the item and authenticated it, not that it's a preview and maybe it will be authenticated maybe not.

yes, you have to go with what they say, if they say full loa and auction loa, then that's it, and if they just said sorry instead of getting all testy, people would have respected that. as it is, they say they are only making the change because they didnt want any more posts misrepresenting what they are doing, but they still think what they are doing is no big deal. Thats the impression I got.

Why not say you are making the change because you realize that you shouldn't be giving impressions of authentication ahead of time no matter what the reason and it is the right thing to do.

[Leon]

Everyone really needs to read the rules. That being said if you said something in this thread that requires your full name to be in the post please put it there....thanks

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I know, Eric, you were just following Travis' lead.

But I was referring to this statement that you wrote; "Now that they have been caught it will be burned and removed from their records."

Eric, can you prove that "It will be burned and removed from their records?"

Of course you can't, because there isn't a full LOA or Auction Letter from anyone.

Hey, Chris. What do you suppose will happen (or has already happened) to Spence's records of my '27 ball?