T206 Buyers Beware

[Runscott]

Iggy - Tim's correct about this. I've seen plenty of examples where I had two identical cards, but the name at the bottom was aligned differently (to the left or right). It's true that there will be a 'normal' alignment, but finding deviations isn't a big deal.

[atx840]

Aligned to the left image border you can see the PB backed (2nd from the top) Hofman is shifted to the left.

[alanu]

After watching a paper restorer restore a thrashed poster on tv, I can believe almost anything can be done with these cards, given to the right person.

[tedzan]

The brown ink captions of the white-bordered T-cards must of been a separate stage in the printing process (1909-1912). In the post 1912 T-card era,
American Litho. switched to printing the captions with blue ink.

My point here is that you cannot depend on a precise alignment of the caption lettering with respect to the image to indicate that a card is a "repro" (or not).

And, then there are those T206's without a caption....such as my no-caption T206 Ryan.





TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The brown ink captions of the white-bordered T-cards must of been a separate stage in the printing process (1909-1912).

TED Z

Evidence points to the captions for the T206's being printed during the same brown color pass as the image. If the brown color pass is off registration in the image, the caption is off as well.

[z28jd]

I have Carrigan's where you can watch the name move, regular alignment, followed by the big letters just barely touching the board to all the letters slightly into the border. You can see the brown in his glove, especially where it meets the picture of the buttocks(I assume its the back of his hand), moves up as the name moves up.

Edited to add that these are all Polar Bear backs, just an interesting ICYDK(FYI that means in case you didn't know)

[iggyman]

Originally Posted by tedzan

My point here is that you cannot depend on a precise alignment of the caption lettering with respect to the image to indicate that a card is a "repro" (or not).

Ted, I'm not arguing that the brown lettering does not shift in one direction or the other. What I'm trying to say (which others have said far better then me), is that if the brown lettering on the bottom shifts, then anything else with brown lettering in the image should also shift.

The Sovereign Mathewson does not seem to follow this rule.

Lovely Day...

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Ted, I'm not arguing that the brown lettering does not shift in one direction or the other. What I'm trying to say (which others have said far better then me), is that if the brown lettering on the bottom shifts, then anything else with brown lettering in the image should also shift.

The Sovereign Mathewson does not seem to follow this rule.

Lovely Day...

Iggy

I would venture to say that all 524 images of the T206 set have Brown ink on them. Yet, like my Ryan card, some were printed without their Brown caption.

Tim's illustration, not withstanding, there must of have been situations where the printing of the image and the printing of the caption were separate stages.
Otherwise, how would "No-Caption" T206's exist ?

I'm not certain, though, that this answers you question ?


TED Z

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Iggy

I would venture to say that all 524 images of the T206 set have Brown ink on them. Yet, like my Ryan card, some were printed without their Brown caption.

Tim's illustration, not withstanding, there must of have been situations where the printing of the image and the printing of the caption were separate stages.
Otherwise, how would "No-Caption" T206's exist ?

I'm not certain, though, that this answers you question ?


TED Z

Ted, I'll be the once to say this since you and I get along well and you'll know I'm not being malicious: it looks like the brown might be 'pulled down' a little on your card (the dark goes lower on his hairline than a typical Ryan card); that, and the fact that most of the area where the caption would have been printed is cut off, leads me to think that yours originally had a caption.