Cy Young Authentication Help

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Wow, if it's a fake it's a damn good one. The only thing though is the ink looks so dark and so new. That's what would worry me. What type of ball is it?

I agree with Kevin on all counts. It looks real, but that signature is darker than virtually every other Cy Young signed balls that I have ever seen, FWIW...

[MGHPro]

If im correct, Giles became president in 51 and Young died in 55, so its a short window to get it signed.

[BrandonG]

I'm afraid you've got a problem here. The Giles baseball in the photo is the later 1958-1969 Model ball. Since Cy Young passed in November of 1955, it would have been impossible for him to sign that type of ball. Sorry.

+1 for the baseball expert and not an authenticator! All of this and more can be found in my future publication of: History of the Base Ball

[GrayGhost]

Dumb ? from me. what is the difference in the balls? My eyesight isn't great, so Im missing something

[Big Six]

Looks like the space between the Giles sig. And the title Pres.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by Big Six

Looks like the space between the Giles sig. And the title Pres.

Thanks , plus the s in Giles seems to slide further down and to the left on the later ball.

FASCINATING detective work. I wouldn't buy a Bugs Bunny sig from AAU, Research in this case tho, Chris, isn't easy, at least as far as knowing the ball difference. Knowing a legit Cy sig could be researched tho. But, its so hard still, knowing you really can't find anyone who is always right or even most times, seems.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Thanks , plus the s in Giles seems to slide further down and to the left on the later ball.

FASCINATING detective work. I wouldn't buy a Bugs Bunny sig from AAU, Research in this case tho, Chris, isn't easy, at least as far as knowing the ball difference. Knowing a legit Cy sig could be researched tho. But, its so hard still, knowing you really can't find anyone who is always right or even most times, seems.

True, Scott, but the fact is, the buyer came here to ask questions after his purchase, which means he began his research after-the-fact.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Dumb ? from me. what is the difference in the balls? My eyesight isn't great, so Im missing something

Scott,
If you look close at the giles autographs they are different.

[RichardSimon]

There are differences in the Giles baseballs, thanks for illustrating that Brandon.
I guess Drew Max could get an education here too.
Seems like that particular Cy Young baseball was signed when Cy was in his grave.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

There are differences in the Giles baseballs, thanks for illustrating that Brandon.
I guess Drew Max could get an education here too.
Seems like that particular Cy Young baseball was signed when Cy was in his grave.

Does Drew Max look at anything "forensically?" Geez.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

I'm afraid you've got a problem here. The Giles baseball in the photo is the later 1958-1969 Model ball. Since Cy Young passed in November of 1955, it would have been impossible for him to sign that type of ball. Sorry.

+1 for the baseball expert and not an authenticator! All of this and more can be found in my future publication of: History of the Base Ball

Nice job, Brandon!
I was hoping that you would check in on the intricacies of the Giles ball. I had a feeling that it may provide a clue that would add additional questions about the liklihood that Cy could have signed it.

I would also like to state, in my experience, that later authentic examples of Cy's signature really took a dive in quality later in life. The Cy signature on the ball on this thread is pretty atypical for this time period. It appears too "strong" and "bold" if this makes sense.

[AzMot]

Thanks for all your responses. I didn't purchase the ball a friend of mine did and asked for my opinion. As I told him I only collect autographs signed in front of me and didn't know very much but had him send me some pictures and agreed to research it. The first thing I did was research the authenticator and that is when I saw the red flag.

It sucks because this was his first vintage purchase and he was pretty stoked about it. I'll finish up my research and send him everything I found , I'm sure he will do the pre-purchase research next time. Expensive lesson to learn.

Thanks again for all the help..By the way great site, lots of good information here. I have it bookmarked and will be spending a lot of time here reading.

[Bilko G]

what auction was the ball purchased at?


sorry this happened to your friend

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

what auction was the ball purchased at?


sorry this happened to your friend

This is where he purchased it:

http://azfirearms.auctionflex.com/sh...enum=1&lang=En

[drc]

There are way too many Scotts in this thread. I'll let it go this time, but don't do it again.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by drc

There are way too many Scotts in this thread. I'll let it go this time, but don't do it again.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by drc

There are way too many Scotts in this thread. I'll let it go this time, but don't do it again.

Should we all post copies of our signatures, to compare how we write "Scott"?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by BrandonG

I'm afraid you've got a problem here. The Giles baseball in the photo is the later 1958-1969 Model ball. Since Cy Young passed in November of 1955, it would have been impossible for him to sign that type of ball. Sorry.

+1 for the baseball expert and not an authenticator! All of this and more can be found in my future publication of: History of the Base Ball

Very nice work and great information, Brandon.