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[BleedinBlue]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I see all points made, I don't like the "qualifiers" though......I mean, one can usually see what the issue is that would designate the qualifier....mark, off center, etc...

Would someone fairly new to collecting get thrown off by what a qualifier was, and pay the price of an 8 on an 8oc? I think it's possible.

Sincerely, Clayton

I think it's much more likely that somebody will pay SGC 50 pricing for a card with a mark on the back the the seller doesn't show a scan of than somebody paying PSA 8 prices for a PSA 8 OC card. Sure it happens. Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute.

[insidethewrapper]

I think one of the biggest problems with grading is how to treat the back of the card and it's affect on the total grade. A very nice presented card can be lowered significantly because of some slight pencil mark on the back etc . I really don't know how to grade a card like that.

Any ideas of how to approach this grading issue ?

[philliesphan]

had an SGC 40 card [graded so low because of centering], cracked it out, got it regarded as PSA 9 MC, and sold it for about 3x what I originally paid for it.

We can all complain about not liking qualifiers, but sometimes they serve a great place in the hobby.

For example, doesn't John Wondaticket have a PSA 8 N172 Ed Delahanty that has the MK qualifier because it's literally among the nicest/strongest images Old Judge N172s I've ever seen, but it has writing on the back (which distracts in no way).

[Tom S.]

I was looking at the SGC pop reports today and noticed that they have added "35" (2.5) to their grading scale.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

I was looking at the SGC pop reports today and noticed that they have added "35" (2.5) to their grading scale.

That's great news! I always wondered why they issued some half-grades, but not to every one of them...didn't make sense to me. Glad to see them get on board!

[Peter_Spaeth]

The SGC scale always has confused me. Why is it 20 points from EX to EXMT but only 4 points from NM to NMMT?

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The SGC scale always has confused me. Why is it 20 points from EX to EXMT but only 4 points from NM to NMMT?

I think SGC just was making things up as they went along. They succeeded in confusing everyone when they came up with this point system

However, you will have an easier time figuring out SGC's logic than figuring out how PSA actually comes up with some of their grades...

[CMIZ5290]

and only 2 points from mint to gem mint!

[Tom S.]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

I was looking at the SGC pop reports today and noticed that they have added "35" (2.5) to their grading scale.

Looks like I jumped the gun with the half grade implementation at SGC...

Here is what the Customer Service Rep Earl J. had to say about the issue (taken from the SGC forums):

"SGC has not implemented new half grades at this time. The grade column in question that appeared on the Population Report was due to a computer glitch. If new grades are to be added in the future, we will make the information available to our customers and on our website at that time.
Thank you for your continued support of SGC!"

[bosoxfan]

He didn't exactly rule it out for the future now did he?

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I think one of the biggest problems with grading is how to treat the back of the card and it's affect on the total grade. A very nice presented card can be lowered significantly because of some slight pencil mark on the back etc . I really don't know how to grade a card like that.

Any ideas of how to approach this grading issue ?

It's a Shame... but it iS what it iS! In my thoughts a Pin hole, a slight pencil mark or a stamp pad ink are all one's a, maybe two's. The Card could be Beautiful all the way around and still a 1 or a 2!

However, and we all know this, it's not going to effect the final hammer price of the card!

[Clutch-Hitter]

1's and 10's cover way too much ground. SGC should have a "5" and PSA should have a 0.5. In reference to qualifiers, it makes sense that the number corresponds to the condition of the paper and the qualifier corresponds to the image on the paper.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

I think it's much more likely that somebody will pay SGC 50 pricing for a card with a mark on the back the the seller doesn't show a scan of than somebody paying PSA 8 prices for a PSA 8 OC card. Sure it happens. Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute.

You've mentioned this several times now and I am calling BS. Show me one SGC 50 card with a mark. You said you had several. I just want to see one.

[MilBraves]

Does anyone know if SGC gives hand cut cards a numerical grade? I know for sure PSA does.

[freakhappy]

Braves,

SGC does merit number grades on hand cut cards...they have a standard just like PSA when it comes to how much "dotted line" needs to show. I believe the line has to be present. I'm not an expert on it and you might want to search the SGC website to get exact specification.

[BleedinBlue]

I'm eating some crow on this one. This came out of an SGC 30 holder which would make it a PSA 3 MK equivalent. Not sure how this ended up in my collection to be honest with you because it's not on my purchase list. There are light pen marks on the front that didn't show up in the scan when I bought it. So, I don't appear to have an SGC 40/50 with a MK. But I do have MC cards. Tonight I can provide scans of MC cards that I know where the flips are.

Question about this card though. As I look at this scan it appears it may be a ghost image on the back. Anybody else see the image and a theory on who it may be? How should this card be graded?

[AndyG09]

Anybody else see the image and a theory on who it may be? How should this card be graded?

[/QUOTE]


Could that possibly be Conroy Fielding?

Best,

Andy

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

I'm eating some crow on this one. This came out of an SGC 30 holder which would make it a PSA 3 MK equivalent. Not sure how this ended up in my collection to be honest with you because it's not on my purchase list. There are light pen marks on the front that didn't show up in the scan when I bought it. So, I don't appear to have an SGC 40/50 with a MK. But I do have MC cards. Tonight I can provide scans of MC cards that I know where the flips are.

Question about this card though. As I look at this scan it appears it may be a ghost image on the back. Anybody else see the image and a theory on who it may be? How should this card be graded?

If the card was an SGC 30, then that would make it about right. An SGC 30 is a 2. PSA bumped it up a grade, but gave it a qualifier. In other words, SGC probably thought the card was worthy of a 3, but lowered it a grade because of the mark. Speaking of which, it actually looks more like a stain to me. If that is the case, it should have received the ST qualifier, not MK. MK is usually reserved for pen/pencil marks.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

But I do have MC cards. Tonight I can provide scans of MC cards that I know where the flips are

Sure, SGC will grade a miscut card, but the MC will be taken into consideration in the final grade. Take this '68 Mantle for instance. It looks like it would have probably graded a 4 if it had decent centering. So SGC bumped it down a couple of grades for the MC. If it were graded by PSA it would have probably graded a PSA 4 MC. SGC doesn't use qualifiers. They just knock the grade down accordingly.

I guess I just don't see your point when you say SGC grades MC cards. Should they refuse to grade them? Do you not agree with the grade assigned to the Mantle?

[glchen]

I know when I sold this card raw, it had a light pencil mark on the back, and it found it's way into an SGC 50 holder. Unfortunately, I don't have a scan of the back in the holder.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by glchen

I know when I sold this card raw, it had a light pencil mark on the back, and it found it's way into an SGC 50 holder. Unfortunately, I don't have a scan of the back in the holder.

Without a back scan, I'd assume that the pencil mark was erased. Can't imagine it would get a 50 with the mark on the back.

[Bunker]

I thought "OC" stood for "Outstanding Card"

j/k

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Braves,

SGC does merit number grades on hand cut cards...they have a standard just like PSA when it comes to how much "dotted line" needs to show. I believe the line has to be present. I'm not an expert on it and you might want to search the SGC website to get exact specification.

Just when I think I know what the standard is, I see something like this:



I guess it does go against the common argument that the difference btw an "8" and "9" is nearly undetectable.