Why doesn't SGC have......

[insidethewrapper]

Should be graded 1-100. Look at centering, corners, creases, focus, notches , print marks, color or eye appeal etc. For example :if a crease on the card the highest # would be 40 and go from there. If good 55-45 centering with crease gets around 40, if centering is less continue to go down maybe 35, etc.

Cards with borders should be computer analyzed with laser to determine precise centering ( no qualifiers ) ! If 80/20 then maybe 65 would be the maximum grade with other factors lowering this number ( such as a crease etc).

If a grading company would do this ( 1-100 scale with computerized guidelines and remove the human element) I would send in my cards. I would think the card could be placed under a measuring device and a computer readout could get a precise reading.

[freakhappy]

I'm not a big fan of qualifiers, but I don't usually let them bother me too much.

One of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to qualifiers is when people try to sell their PSA 8oc for a PSA 8 price. I know it was said earlier that buyers know how to distinguish the price difference between the two, but that statement is false sometimes (Qualifiers and BccG). Believe it or not, we have many people that are uneducated in the grading scale and the qualifiers make it that much more difficult. That being said, it's common sense for most of us, but many, many people use the qualifiers to their advantage to make more money. If you need a qualifier to tell you why you got the grade you did...I feel sorry for you it's not that hard to tell why you got the grade you did. At least Beckett tells you why you got the grade you did on modern and some older cards.

So realistically, qualifiers are present to tell us we have an otherwise very nice card other than this one defect...just don't get it...give us the real grade and leave off the bs. So let's say that a card grades a PSA 8mk because of a pen mark on the back. What would that card grade if it didn't have the qualifier? PSA 1.5 or 2??? So how can we assess the qualifier properly on marks? We can't simply knock the grade down two notches like the general rule of thumb for other qualifiers? Probably not. Just something to chew on...

[teetwoohsix]

I see all points made, I don't like the "qualifiers" though......I mean, one can usually see what the issue is that would designate the qualifier....mark, off center, etc...

Would someone fairly new to collecting get thrown off by what a qualifier was, and pay the price of an 8 on an 8oc? I think it's possible.

Sincerely, Clayton

[BleedinBlue]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I see all points made, I don't like the "qualifiers" though......I mean, one can usually see what the issue is that would designate the qualifier....mark, off center, etc...

Would someone fairly new to collecting get thrown off by what a qualifier was, and pay the price of an 8 on an 8oc? I think it's possible.

Sincerely, Clayton

I think it's much more likely that somebody will pay SGC 50 pricing for a card with a mark on the back the the seller doesn't show a scan of than somebody paying PSA 8 prices for a PSA 8 OC card. Sure it happens. Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute.

[insidethewrapper]

I think one of the biggest problems with grading is how to treat the back of the card and it's affect on the total grade. A very nice presented card can be lowered significantly because of some slight pencil mark on the back etc . I really don't know how to grade a card like that.

Any ideas of how to approach this grading issue ?

[philliesphan]

had an SGC 40 card [graded so low because of centering], cracked it out, got it regarded as PSA 9 MC, and sold it for about 3x what I originally paid for it.

We can all complain about not liking qualifiers, but sometimes they serve a great place in the hobby.

For example, doesn't John Wondaticket have a PSA 8 N172 Ed Delahanty that has the MK qualifier because it's literally among the nicest/strongest images Old Judge N172s I've ever seen, but it has writing on the back (which distracts in no way).

[Tom S.]

I was looking at the SGC pop reports today and noticed that they have added "35" (2.5) to their grading scale.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I think one of the biggest problems with grading is how to treat the back of the card and it's affect on the total grade. A very nice presented card can be lowered significantly because of some slight pencil mark on the back etc . I really don't know how to grade a card like that.

Any ideas of how to approach this grading issue ?

It's a Shame... but it iS what it iS! In my thoughts a Pin hole, a slight pencil mark or a stamp pad ink are all one's a, maybe two's. The Card could be Beautiful all the way around and still a 1 or a 2!

However, and we all know this, it's not going to effect the final hammer price of the card!

[Clutch-Hitter]

1's and 10's cover way too much ground. SGC should have a "5" and PSA should have a 0.5. In reference to qualifiers, it makes sense that the number corresponds to the condition of the paper and the qualifier corresponds to the image on the paper.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue

I think it's much more likely that somebody will pay SGC 50 pricing for a card with a mark on the back the the seller doesn't show a scan of than somebody paying PSA 8 prices for a PSA 8 OC card. Sure it happens. Barnum said there is a sucker born every minute.

You've mentioned this several times now and I am calling BS. Show me one SGC 50 card with a mark. You said you had several. I just want to see one.

[MilBraves]

Does anyone know if SGC gives hand cut cards a numerical grade? I know for sure PSA does.

[freakhappy]

Braves,

SGC does merit number grades on hand cut cards...they have a standard just like PSA when it comes to how much "dotted line" needs to show. I believe the line has to be present. I'm not an expert on it and you might want to search the SGC website to get exact specification.