If I only had a nickel.....

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

These have scared me for a while. And David you are right marking them as a replica would certainly be the right thing to do, but lets face it can we expect the right thing here?

Well, I wasn't speaking specifically of these balls. Sure that would be nice, but I wouldn't expect it to happen. But more specifically in a business sense, if someone were to responsibly make replica balls, while taking steps to prevent the wrong thing from happening when they fall into the wrong hands.. We all know that eventually they will. PSA should honestly mark any non-authentic autographs that they come across. There shouldn't be a choice. You submit a known bad auto and it either gets destroyed or marked...

How great would it be for some A-hole scammer to buy a bunch of these replica balls, hoping to flip them as real, only to find out that they've been marked. Would be even better if ebay/paypal blocked all attempts at refunds on items clearly sold as reprints or replicas.. After that, anyone caught selling a marked ball as authentic, could possibly be prosecuted.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Well, I wasn't speaking specifically of these balls. Sure that would be nice, but I wouldn't expect it to happen. But more specifically in a business sense, if someone were to responsibly make replica balls, while taking steps to prevent the wrong thing from happening when they fall into the wrong hands.. We all know that eventually they will. PSA should honestly mark any non-authentic autographs that they come across. There shouldn't be a choice. You submit a known bad auto and it either gets destroyed or marked...

How great would it be for some A-hole scammer to buy a bunch of these replica balls, hoping to flip them as real, only to find out that they've been marked. Would be even better if ebay/paypal blocked all attempts at refunds on items clearly sold as reprints or replicas.. After that, anyone caught selling a marked ball as authentic, could possibly be prosecuted.

Problem is, if an autograph is submitted to the alphabet guys (and anyone here has permission to shoot me if I ever do that) and it is bad, the owner of the autograph might have just bought it from a dealer. That dealer now owes the collector a refund. How does the collector get a refund for a destroyed autograph?
And it is only their opinion that the autograph is bad. Travis and I have pointed out many items that were INCORRECTLY deemed to be not authentic. What does someone do then, if PSA destroys an autograph (especially boxing where they seem to know nothing) that is really good?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Problem is, if an autograph is submitted to the alphabet guys (and anyone here has permission to shoot me if I ever do that) and it is bad, the owner of the autograph might have just bought it from a dealer. That dealer now owes the collector a refund. How does the collector get a refund for a destroyed autograph?
And it is only their opinion that the autograph is bad. Travis and I have pointed out many items that were INCORRECTLY deemed to be not authentic. What does someone do then, if PSA destroys an autograph (especially boxing where they seem to know nothing) that is really good?

Well, that's why I mentioned marking as an option for the TPA's, as opposed to just destroying.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Well, that's why I mentioned marking as an option for the TPA's, as opposed to just destroying.

To answer that David, if TPA marks an item that is good, when they think it is bad, then the item is doomed forever.
I have told the board about two Ruth autographs that I had sold which I bought, along with others, from a man who lived in my apt.bldg. He was an in person collector , worked on Ruth's radio show, hung out at Ruth's hotel and became a close friend of mine. These two items were incorrectly rejected by PSA when they were submitted by the people I sold them to.
One of the two was then submitted to Lelands who sold it, the other one was kept by the dealer I sold it to because he knew I was right about it being authentic. He then sold it later on.
What if they had marked those two items as not authentic. I think the owners would have wanted to return them to me then. I would have sued PSA in half a second if they had marked them as not authentic and I am sure I would have won.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

To answer that David, if TPA marks an item that is good, when they think it is bad, then the item is doomed forever.
I have told the board about two Ruth autographs that I had sold which I bought, along with others, from a man who lived in my apt.bldg. He was an in person collector , worked on Ruth's radio show, hung out at Ruth's hotel and became a close friend of mine. These two items were incorrectly rejected by PSA when they were submitted by the people I sold them to.
One of the two was then submitted to Lelands who sold it, the other one was kept by the dealer I sold it to because he knew I was right about it being authentic. He then sold it later on.
What if they had marked those two items as not authentic. I think the owners would have wanted to return them to me then. I would have sued PSA in half a second if they had marked them as not authentic and I am sure I would have won.

Yes, that is a very good point..

[RichardSimon]

Can you imagine what would have happened to the boxing market if all those "bad" Liston autographs and the Fitzsimmon picture and whatever else they were wrong about in boxing had been permanently marked as bad by PSA?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Can you imagine what would have happened to the boxing market if all those "bad" Liston autographs and the Fitzsimmon picture and whatever else they were wrong about in boxing had been permanently marked as bad by PSA?

I'm unfamiliar with the incident you're speaking of. But yeah! I'd assume it would've been a very bad thing if they were marked.