If I only had a nickel.....

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Well, that's why I mentioned marking as an option for the TPA's, as opposed to just destroying.

To answer that David, if TPA marks an item that is good, when they think it is bad, then the item is doomed forever.
I have told the board about two Ruth autographs that I had sold which I bought, along with others, from a man who lived in my apt.bldg. He was an in person collector , worked on Ruth's radio show, hung out at Ruth's hotel and became a close friend of mine. These two items were incorrectly rejected by PSA when they were submitted by the people I sold them to.
One of the two was then submitted to Lelands who sold it, the other one was kept by the dealer I sold it to because he knew I was right about it being authentic. He then sold it later on.
What if they had marked those two items as not authentic. I think the owners would have wanted to return them to me then. I would have sued PSA in half a second if they had marked them as not authentic and I am sure I would have won.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

To answer that David, if TPA marks an item that is good, when they think it is bad, then the item is doomed forever.
I have told the board about two Ruth autographs that I had sold which I bought, along with others, from a man who lived in my apt.bldg. He was an in person collector , worked on Ruth's radio show, hung out at Ruth's hotel and became a close friend of mine. These two items were incorrectly rejected by PSA when they were submitted by the people I sold them to.
One of the two was then submitted to Lelands who sold it, the other one was kept by the dealer I sold it to because he knew I was right about it being authentic. He then sold it later on.
What if they had marked those two items as not authentic. I think the owners would have wanted to return them to me then. I would have sued PSA in half a second if they had marked them as not authentic and I am sure I would have won.

Yes, that is a very good point..

[RichardSimon]

Can you imagine what would have happened to the boxing market if all those "bad" Liston autographs and the Fitzsimmon picture and whatever else they were wrong about in boxing had been permanently marked as bad by PSA?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Can you imagine what would have happened to the boxing market if all those "bad" Liston autographs and the Fitzsimmon picture and whatever else they were wrong about in boxing had been permanently marked as bad by PSA?

I'm unfamiliar with the incident you're speaking of. But yeah! I'd assume it would've been a very bad thing if they were marked.

[RichardSimon]

David - Travis has made many posts about those incidents, I am not as familiar with the details as he is. Search his posts and you will find them.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

David - Travis has made many posts about those incidents, I am not as familiar with the details as he is. Search his posts and you will find them.

Very Good. I'll definitely check that out.

[travrosty]

yeah, they know very little about boxing, they knocked down a dead on sonny liston that a swedish collector showed them, it was a great liston.

they rejected my sonny liston signed picture, and it was spot on. but they kept certing the wife signed sonny liston autographs.

a fitzsimmons signed photo they said no good, but they certed both wife signed and manager signed fitzsimmons autographs. and to date no one can say what is wrong with that good fitzsimmons signed photo, just generic weasel words on the letter of regret. lol.

an early 70's muhammad ali signature with the A frame A in Ali they called no good when it was textbook. i cant think of more right now off the top of my head, but the list goes on and on. they call the good ones bad a lot and the bad ones good even more. coin flippers. If they destroyed any of those it would be a lawsuit.