Chemicals changed this color, it is not a scrap

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sean
No big deal. Tell the seller it's not as advertised and kindly request a refund. Be very nice. If they they say they won't refund you, file with ebay and there is almost a 100% chance you will get your money back. It's not as advertised. Not a big deal and maybe they didn't know either....best regards

Leon, I think you would be wrong about the outcome. The scans are very clear and the end price was very low, indicating that plenty of people realized that when the seller said it "appears to be scrap", he was incorrect. Besides, how are you going to argue with ebay what 'scrap' actually is? People on this board can't even agree.

[iggyman]

Hopefully, we have all learned that this is NOT a missing color T206 Bates and it did NOT originate at the factory this way and it's definitely NOT printer scrap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-T206-JO...-/220933725186

As you were.

Lovely Day...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Leon, I think you would be wrong about the outcome. The scans are very clear and the end price was very low, indicating that plenty of people realized that when the seller said it "appears to be scrap", he was incorrect. Besides, how are you going to argue with ebay what 'scrap' actually is? People on this board can't even agree.

I got a refund yesterday from an issue similar to this (not exactly). The guy's terms had "no refunds, sold as is" too. But you could be right.....BTW, a chemically altered card wouldn't be considered printers scrap in my opinion.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

BTW, a chemically altered card wouldn't be considered printers scrap in my opinion.

Were you thinking that chemicals were applied at the factory as some sort of test? That's not anything I really think would have happened, but I guess it's possible - I have been proven wrong often enough that I wouldn't toss out any theory.

[jimonym]

Mastro once sold an album full of similar-looking cards (album full = >500). They attributed the color changes to "moisture", but if you look at the picture, I think a good guess was it was an effect of the glue used.



It was Lot # 503 in their April 2002 auction.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jimonym

Mastro once sold an album full of similar-looking cards (album full = >500). They attributed the color changes to "moisture", but if you look at the picture, I think a good guess was it was an effect of the glue used.



It was Lot # 503 in their April 2002 auction.

These look a lot different from some of the ones that people here are saying were caused by chemicals/glue.

For instance, the Bates on ebay is clearly only missing the blue in the background - the chemicals or glue had no effect on any other color. Not saying this doesn't make perfect sense, but it's odd how these chemicals/glue resulted in such odd patterns on other cards, such as the ones in the Mastro auction.

I have no special knowledge about this process - just asking questions as part of the discussion

[Abravefan11]

For what it's worth the blue was present at one time on this card. You can see it on the underside of Bates left arm and along the side of his body where the registration is off slightly. Here' a comparison of the Ebay card and a common example also with the registration slightly of in the same manner.

[Runscott]

True, so do you feel that it is just a coincidence that this card doesn't have the same strange patterns as the others that were affected by chemicals/glue?

Also, at first glance it does look like the 'incorrect' card has splotches of yellow that are not on the other one, but that could also just be the absence of blue - I can't tell if the correct card has darker green (more blue) in the areas that are yellow on the incorrect card, but looks like it might.

edited: Just so no one thinks I'm arguing, I agree that these are not scrap - just trying to better understand the effects that are causing the color fading, be it sunlight, acid in album paper, glue, chemicals or otherwise.