Chemicals changed this color, it is not a scrap

[jimonym]

Mastro once sold an album full of similar-looking cards (album full = >500). They attributed the color changes to "moisture", but if you look at the picture, I think a good guess was it was an effect of the glue used.



It was Lot # 503 in their April 2002 auction.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jimonym

Mastro once sold an album full of similar-looking cards (album full = >500). They attributed the color changes to "moisture", but if you look at the picture, I think a good guess was it was an effect of the glue used.



It was Lot # 503 in their April 2002 auction.

These look a lot different from some of the ones that people here are saying were caused by chemicals/glue.

For instance, the Bates on ebay is clearly only missing the blue in the background - the chemicals or glue had no effect on any other color. Not saying this doesn't make perfect sense, but it's odd how these chemicals/glue resulted in such odd patterns on other cards, such as the ones in the Mastro auction.

I have no special knowledge about this process - just asking questions as part of the discussion

[Abravefan11]

For what it's worth the blue was present at one time on this card. You can see it on the underside of Bates left arm and along the side of his body where the registration is off slightly. Here' a comparison of the Ebay card and a common example also with the registration slightly of in the same manner.

[Runscott]

True, so do you feel that it is just a coincidence that this card doesn't have the same strange patterns as the others that were affected by chemicals/glue?

Also, at first glance it does look like the 'incorrect' card has splotches of yellow that are not on the other one, but that could also just be the absence of blue - I can't tell if the correct card has darker green (more blue) in the areas that are yellow on the incorrect card, but looks like it might.

edited: Just so no one thinks I'm arguing, I agree that these are not scrap - just trying to better understand the effects that are causing the color fading, be it sunlight, acid in album paper, glue, chemicals or otherwise.

[Leon]

It's just my guess that this example shown had some kind of chemical put onto it after the printing process. I don't know when, but that being said, and the fact it's considered altered, means it's not a factory product like a printers scrap I would normally think of. I am at the low end of the totem pole on knowing all of the printing nuances. I just don't consider an altered-after-the-fact card as in the same category as a regular printers scrap.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Here are the 2 I could find scans for. I find it curious how the glue can affect the background colors and hardly affect the head and body of the card.





Lee

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy

I find it curious how the glue can affect the background colors and hardly affect the head and body of the card.

Lee

Yep Lee - that's what I also tried to ask but must have missed the mark.

I'm also missing where anyone said that an altered card should be considered printers scrap. I think everyone's in agreement that printers scrap is something tossed in the garbage before going into production.

edited to add: Lee, it looks like the glue DID affect Matty's head - his forehead is pure white where the glue was. The only part unaffected seems to be the black ink - Steve hinted in a previous post that different inks had different properties, so maybe black is glue-proof?

[Abravefan11]

I don't know what caused the discoloration on the Bates card, but it appears to me that the top color was removed throughout the background.

Starting at the bottom the yellow and blue were layered to produce the light green grass. The dark green run covered most of this area to produce the deep green grass. This top dark green layer has been reduced and in a few areas removed from the Bates card.

Where the ground meets the horizon the dark green run produced the purple. This top layer has been removed.

The top sky portion was produced with the blue print run. This area and has been removed.

I added a Ritchey which has similar color patterns simply for comparison.