Those T206 alignment marks and what they can tell us(long)

T206Collector · #1 01-10-2012, 12:33 PM

Neat image.... how do you reconcile those with the miscuts that show the card repeated top/bottom or side/side?

steve B · #2 01-10-2012, 08:55 PM

The image Chris has done is a great way of tracking the double name cards that are known. It also shows how complex things probably became later on, as Lundgren Cubs has two different cards above and Cicotte has two different below.
None of the ones found so far have been from this group. I might expect that other series were done differently. So for now I think this idea is just for this group of cards.

The simple layout with 4 cards on a 48 card sheet is 4 blocks of 12. But they may well have made it more dificult. Cut wrong there would be 24 with the same name, and 12 with a different name for the 12x4 layout. with the 8x6 layout it would be 32 same name and 6 different name. I'd lean towards this layout since the different name cards are much less common than one with the same name. Other layouts are workable of course but I'm fairly convinced it's 4 players per sheet. (The other one I think might be likely would be one sheet with 4 different and another with 8 different.)

The other probable complication involves the Plank and one other outlier card. The bit of packing log shows a Hindu Reulbach and specifies that the packing is for "other than philadelphia area". I think it's possible there was a special sheet made for the philadelphia area, which included Plank. And that that sheet wasn't used with Hindu.

I did check Teds List of EP backs today and none of these cards are confirmed with EP. That complicates it somewhat, but makes the pattern much stronger for this group.

The other outlier card is Powers, which fits the group very well, but does have a 649 overprint. This one is a real puzzle.

Steve B

Jantz · #3 01-11-2012, 12:04 AM

Steve

I have to agree with you when you say "I might expect that the other series were done differently" since none of the two-name T206s are from the 460 series. Maybe one will surface someday.

Jantz

steve B · #4 01-11-2012, 05:49 AM

I haven't spotted any other patterns yet, the other series are pretty large so that will be difficult. I think the only way of going at P350 is through the other brands. The 350-460 series is a good one to look at. Especially the SC factory 30. Most of the work is in making the stones or plates, so I'd hope they didn't use many different. And that's another reason the four to a sheet seems off at first. I've actually been considering this for about a year because of that.

I'd compare the pop reports with the spreadsheets, to hopefully see patterns in a slightly larger series, but there's so many reasons they aren't acurate that it seems like it wouldn't be worthwhile. (Stars subed more often, resubs,no back breakouts for many.....)

I'd love to see them offer a cheap or free reslabbing to get more back info, but I know that's not practical unless someone with deep pockets covered it.

Another thing that could be told from high res scans is wether some of the team change tough cards like Lundgren Demmitt and O hara were totally different plates or done by just changing one or two plates.

Steve B

Abravefan11 · #5 01-11-2012, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Another thing that could be told from high res scans is wether some of the team change tough cards like Lundgren Demmitt and O hara were totally different plates or done by just changing one or two plates.

Steve B

Steve - The two Lundgren cards are different artist renderings using the same original image.

atx840 · #6 01-11-2012, 11:15 AM

O'Hara is the same plate, I took my (former) example and overlaid the NY and you can see the top right section of the "N" remains on the St L version.

steve B · #7 01-11-2012, 02:10 PM

That's really interesting. And a nice example of why I need help with the scans. Out of the 3 of those, I only own a Lundgren KC.

I do think the plates were different for the O'Hara. There is a remnant of the N, but there's also a lot more shading on the Stl version. The Stl version also has red or pink while the NY does not.

So it looks to me like they redid the original art to remove the NY and retook the negatives.

Of course that could be way off depending on the dpi of the original scans. Sometimes resizing loses some detail.

Steve B

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Originally Posted by atx840

O'Hara is the same plate, I took my (former) example and overlaid the NY and you can see the top right section of the "N" remains on the St L version.