Those T206 alignment marks and what they can tell us(long)

[steve B]

I haven't spotted any other patterns yet, the other series are pretty large so that will be difficult. I think the only way of going at P350 is through the other brands. The 350-460 series is a good one to look at. Especially the SC factory 30. Most of the work is in making the stones or plates, so I'd hope they didn't use many different. And that's another reason the four to a sheet seems off at first. I've actually been considering this for about a year because of that.

I'd compare the pop reports with the spreadsheets, to hopefully see patterns in a slightly larger series, but there's so many reasons they aren't acurate that it seems like it wouldn't be worthwhile. (Stars subed more often, resubs,no back breakouts for many.....)

I'd love to see them offer a cheap or free reslabbing to get more back info, but I know that's not practical unless someone with deep pockets covered it.

Another thing that could be told from high res scans is wether some of the team change tough cards like Lundgren Demmitt and O hara were totally different plates or done by just changing one or two plates.

Steve B

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by steve B

Another thing that could be told from high res scans is wether some of the team change tough cards like Lundgren Demmitt and O hara were totally different plates or done by just changing one or two plates.

Steve B

Steve - The two Lundgren cards are different artist renderings using the same original image.

[atx840]

O'Hara is the same plate, I took my (former) example and overlaid the NY and you can see the top right section of the "N" remains on the St L version.

[steve B]

That's really interesting. And a nice example of why I need help with the scans. Out of the 3 of those, I only own a Lundgren KC.

I do think the plates were different for the O'Hara. There is a remnant of the N, but there's also a lot more shading on the Stl version. The Stl version also has red or pink while the NY does not.

So it looks to me like they redid the original art to remove the NY and retook the negatives.

Of course that could be way off depending on the dpi of the original scans. Sometimes resizing loses some detail.

Steve B

Originally Posted by atx840

O'Hara is the same plate, I took my (former) example and overlaid the NY and you can see the top right section of the "N" remains on the St L version.

[Runscott]

Steve - it looks like whoever re-worked the plates had trouble removing the black from the 'N' and 'Y' that was overlaying the line of buttons on O'Hara's shirt. Mine has the same remnants as Chris', but under the loop the remaining top right of the 'N' looks kind of weird - it's a small black loop.

[steve B]

So that's probably two positions for that one. At the very least the stl and NY shown are two different positions. The NY has an alignment mark to the inside of the left border while the STL has either none or a much shorter one.

If the guys at ALC had been sloppier this would be easier, Usually it's not hard to tell between a reworked plate and a diferent plate.

Steve B