Now I know where Coach's Corners crap goes

[travrosty]

no one has forgotten, but its forgettable, because its not the big problem.

when the times comes, only one thing will shake the autograph collecting hobby to the core, and it won't have anything to do with an fde.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

no one has forgotten, but its forgettable, because its not the big problem.

when the times comes, only one thing will shake the autograph collecting hobby to the core, and it won't have anything to do with an fde.

Travis, are you saying that the thousands of Muhammad Ali forgeries that Chris Morales has certed, hasn't had a negative impact on the hobby?

[David Atkatz]

Whadda you care how much crap Morales certifies? No "real collector" buys his stuff. (A very reliable YouTube source told me that.)

Whoever forged those high-end Ruth balls has done "the hobby" serious--perhaps irreparable--harm. Morales and his fellow clowns are a joke.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Whadda you care how much crap Morales certifies? No "real collector" buys his stuff. (A very reliable YouTube source told me that.)

Whoever forged those high-end Ruth balls has done "the hobby" serious--perhaps irreparable--harm. Morales and his fellow clowns are a joke.

What "I care about" and "Why I care about it" is none of your business, Mr. Atkatz.

[GrayGhost]

Not this stuff again. ...

Look, you two are both VERY passionate bout the mess the autograph hobby is in. Yes, the Ruth mess is a MAJOR issue, and the seemingly "automatic" PSA and JSA love on stuff.

But, Chris has exposed SO MUCH garbage, on e'thing from Ruth to Kobe Bryant to Clyde Barrow, that he provides a valuable service too.

Work together guys ..a lot of good has been done, and hopefully much more will come out of everyone trying to kill off these crooks and rid all their garbage from the Hobby.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Not this stuff again. ...

Look, you two are both VERY passionate bout the mess the autograph hobby is in. Yes, the Ruth mess is a MAJOR issue, and the seemingly "automatic" PSA and JSA love on stuff.

But, Chris has exposed SO MUCH garbage, on e'thing from Ruth to Kobe Bryant to Clyde Barrow, that he provides a valuable service too.

Work together guys ..a lot of good has been done, and hopefully much more will come out of everyone trying to kill off these crooks and rid all their garbage from the Hobby.

You make a good point, Scott, but Mr. Atkatz has been "baiting" me for awhile now, and for once I took the "bait," but I won't apologize for taking the "bait."

[RichardSimon]

Years ago the young man who forged, among other things, high end team balls (I had a 1920's NY Giants team ball in my hands, offered to me by a conspiraor of the forger, it was a complete forgery with 20+ autographs) did the hobby serious harm and yet here we are years later and the hobby still thrives, albeit an economic slowdown in this country has had an effect.
I have a suspicion, totally unproven, that this person might have had a hand in the high end Ruth baseballs we are seeing now.
Charlie Sheen was taken in years ago, big time spenders were taken in, and yet collectors continue to buy and buy and buy.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Not this stuff again. ...

Look, you two are both VERY passionate about the mess the autograph hobby is in. Yes, the Ruth mess is a MAJOR issue, and the seemingly "automatic" PSA and JSA love on stuff.

But, Chris has exposed SO MUCH garbage, on e'thing from Ruth to Kobe Bryant to Clyde Barrow, that he provides a valuable service too.

Work together guys ..a lot of good has been done, and hopefully much more will come out of everyone trying to kill off these crooks and rid all their garbage from the Hobby.

I couldn't agree more.... I love CW for what he has done and is doing with the onslaught of forgeries. It is needed so much. I always appreciate Travis just as much for what he has done and is doing. Both are especially passionate, but when you have Travis siding with Morales and the FDE's , Houston, we have a problem. I Know Travis "EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT MORALES" We'll guess what.... they don't. He is despicable. Other FDE's that Rubber stamp forgeries are also equally despicable. We all know who they are by now. Alphabet soup doing the things on the inside that they do and the level of forgeries they pass and refuse to correct is equally despicable. SO please, for the Average collector and the love of God, please just stop it already, it is nauseating.

Until these 2 Major Factions (FOREVER CLUELESS RUBBER STAMPER FDE Cheater F'ers vs Alphabet soup and their too big to fail mentality, good ole boy network, refusing to admit their mistakes) come together, it's going to be a long road.

Travis just needs to wrap his noodle around the big picture on this one point, that FDE is just as harmful to the average collector as the Alphabet soup. It is really just so moronic that it is laughable from a collectors point of view.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

"EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT MORALES" We'll guess what.... they don't. He is despicable. Other FDE's that Rubber stamp forgeries are also equally despicable. We all know who they are by now.

Just look of the parade of FDE junk coming in on Pawn Stars and The Real Deal (new auction show). Clearly "everyone" didn't get the memo about Morales, Max, Frangipani, et. al.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

What "I care about" and "Why I care about it" is none of your business, Mr. Atkatz.

Dr. Atkatz to you, Chris.

And if it's "none of my business," why do you keep posting it?