PSA 5 with paper loss?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

Just out of curiosity, why doesn't PSA buy back certain cards that are misgraded? Figure it would be a legal way to get rid of the "evidence".

There's just way too much 'evidence'.

I really hate to bring up the elephant in the room, but it's very tempting.

Okay....

Have you ever noticed that when a large lot of graded cards arrive in the mail from a major auction house, they are often in nice brand-new, sequentially-numbered holders? Do you think the consigners, who had already decided to consign because they didn't want to mess with the hassle of breaking up their collection into smaller lots, or because they needed 'fast' cash...

...decided they didn't mind the hassle of packing up the cards and shipping to PSA or SGC, getting them back, then sending them to the auction house, and also didn't mind the associated wait time and expense?

I think a lot of these 'WTF!?!?!' cards are part of what I'm describing.

But maybe I'm paranoid - have any of you sent in a card like this Cobb, and had it come back as a '5'? If so, can I mail my cards to you?

[Fred]

Scott, I'd love to throw a bunch of cards in with a card submission like the Hall collection auctioned off by SCP a few years back. Talk about some generous grades and the good fortune to not have a card come back as trimmed or altered (that was obviously trimmed or altered). Yup, would defininitely like to have the benefit of the doubt everytime I threw in a submission....

[old-baseball]

Another example from PSA that SGC wouldn't cross to a 30 - Good because of the paper loss on the front. My experience with SGC in sending cards in is that paper loss, front or back, is going to get a 20 - Fair.



I sent this in thinking at worst it would be an 60 - EX. Didn't see the spot of paper loss on Harder's left shoulder. Sure enough it got a 20.

[3-2-count]

No way that green Cobby should be in a holder higher than a 2 with that back damage.

[z28jd]

I have an Old Judge with 2 small spots of paper loss on the front that was graded a psa5 and I also bought another OJ from the same batch of graded cards that was graded a psa2 and looks much nicer than the 5. It was as if they mixed up the two grades but got the names on the labels right

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Fred

Scott, I'd love to throw a bunch of cards in with a card submission like the Hall collection auctioned off by SCP a few years back. Talk about some generous grades and the good fortune to not have a card come back as trimmed or altered (that was obviously trimmed or altered). Yup, would defininitely like to have the benefit of the doubt everytime I threw in a submission....

Okay, so two of us see the elephant. That's more than would admit it seven years ago.

[edhans]

I know I'm getting old, but where the heck is the paper loss on that gorgeous E90-1 Clarke?

[Runscott]

In fairness to PSA, here's an SGC-graded one that I don't quite get - PSA would only give this a '2', correct? I know at the 3 and under levels, the grading companies don't put much emphasis on corners, but this is quite bad:

SGC 40 T206 Johnson

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

In fairness to PSA, here's an SGC-graded one that I don't quite get - PSA would only give this a '2', correct? I know at the 3 and under levels, the grading companies don't put much emphasis on corners, but this is quite bad:

SGC 40 T206 Johnson

All of the corners look good except for the top left...cutting it close. I have a few SGC 40's that are on the edge of being a 30 b/c of the corners. Subjectivity...we could go on for days about this subject

Do grading companies really stick by their own standards? I think we have enough evidence to made a sound answer.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

All of the corners look good except for the top left...cutting it close. I have a few SGC 40's that are on the edge of being a 30 b/c of the corners. Subjectivity...we could go on for days about this subject

Do grading companies really stick by their own standards? I think we have enough evidence to made a sound answer.

If everyone on this board would agree to crack out all their cards at the same time, you could count me in. But what I'm finding from selling T206s on this board, both graded and raw, is that you guys much prefer graded cards - in the eyes of cash-holding board members, the slab seems to add quite a bit to the value. And I think the value is the actual slab, for better or for worse.

Personally, I think the cards look really cool in those tiny tobacco top-loaders, and that's where all my 'keepers' end up. But slabs look good also.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Runscott

In fairness to PSA, here's an SGC-graded one that I don't quite get - PSA would only give this a '2', correct? I know at the 3 and under levels, the grading companies don't put much emphasis on corners, but this is quite bad:

SGC 40 T206 Johnson

Originally Posted by freakhappy

All of the corners look good except for the top left...cutting it close.

There's obviously a lot of subjectivity that goes into it. There are many T206 cards in the 30-40 range that you could argue a bump up or down. In the case of the Johnson, sure, you could argue that the corner should bump it from a 40 (3) to a 30 (2). It's one of those cards that should probably be right in between... either an overgraded 40 or an undergraded 30. But the paper loss on that PSA 5 is an entirely different beast. That's a HUGE miss by the grader; I would think that the grading companies would want to get those "off the street."

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by edhans

I know I'm getting old, but where the heck is the paper loss on that gorgeous E90-1 Clarke?

There's the tiniest spot on one of the bat handles on the back. Look close with a loop and you will see it. At first I thought it was just a missing line from printing but it is a little chip out of the paper. A bit of a crime to knock it down that far, but such is life. I no longer own it but wish I did! Come back to me, Fred!

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by Runscott

But maybe I'm paranoid - have any of you sent in a card like this Cobb, and had it come back as a '5'? If so, can I mail my cards to you?

What I like to think, is that some graders slack off and forget to check for paperloss on the back of the card here and there. I mean, they must process hundreds of cards a day. There has to be some room for error. And there has to be some overgraded cards due to laziness. Come to think of it, I've made mistakes at my job due to the repetitive nature of it.

[dog*dirt]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

What I like to think, is that some graders slack off and forget to check for paperloss on the back of the card here and there. I mean, they must process hundreds of cards a day. There has to be some room for error. And there has to be some overgraded cards due to laziness. Come to think of it, I've made mistakes at my job due to the repetitive nature of it.

This may be very true but even if I graded hundreds of cards a day a T206 Cobb that had that nice of a front would catch my attention. One would think that a card like that would be graded more accurate.

[egbeachley]

[Big Ben]

Is the picture of the Cobb really bad or is the case frosted on the left side?

[terjung]

Amazing what a little flick of paper loss will do to a grade...

[Jaybird]

yup...