PSA 5 with paper loss?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Scott...not to be crazy about the johnson grade, but I do think that the WoJo would be more fitting in a 2.5 holder instead of a 3...too nice for a 2, but not quite a 3? Another reason SGC should have half grades in the lower portion of their grading system

If I owned it, I would not complain about the grade. I just thought I'd flush out some opinions about corners and miscuts grading. I recently picked up a nice, large group of SGC 40's and 30's, and it was very interesting to see representative cards at both ends up each grade - horribly rounded corners on a no-gloss card that got a 30, then another 30 with strong corners and pack-fresh gloss that also got a 30 due to a single horizontal crease.

That's why when someone agrees to buy/trade a card from me based solely on a grade, without ever having seen the card, I make them look at a scan first. Maybe they don't care, but if you like cards, you need to get used to looking at them.

Regarding the nice way the slabs stack/display - that's all fine, but there is so much you will discover about a card once you are looking right at it - gloss, lithography detail, etc. Even my horrid eyes pick up a lot. They look better out of the slab.

[CMIZ5290]

Totally agree with taxman. I did not want to come out and say that initially, but now that someone has, i am. Absolutely no way psa missed that, especially being cobb.

[Taxman]

I might have to recant my statement....Here is a link to where the seller purchased the card. Notice it is a very old flip.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220896981433

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Taxman

I might have to recant my statement....Here is a link to where the seller purchased the card. Notice it is a very old flip.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220896981433

Ughhh! Ughhh! Ughhh!

Sorry, I couldn't help it - there's another chunk missing at the lower left

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by Taxman

I might have to recant my statement....Here is a link to where the seller purchased the card. Notice it is a very old flip.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220896981433

Nice find!

Don't worry, I thought the same thing when I posted about the possibility of a cracked case on page 3 of this thread.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Regarding the nice way the slabs stack/display - that's all fine, but there is so much you will discover about a card once you are looking right at it - gloss, lithography detail, etc. Even my horrid eyes pick up a lot. They look better out of the slab.

When I started collecting 206's I never even really looked at the card, I just went for anything that was in the 1.5-3 range. This was definitely a rude awakening for me b/c I realized paper loss and pen/pencil markings were present on a decent amount of them, not to mention the appeal of the card (which is the primary thing I look at now) was usually gone.

Now that I look at the card as a whole, my collection has much better appeal...had to learn the hard way tho

As of right now, I collect only graded cards...mainly so I don't get burned by trim jobs or have to completely trust Ebay sellers (we know how that goes). Plus by the grade, I know what defects the card may have.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

When I started collecting 206's I never even really looked at the card, I just went for anything that was in the 1.5-3 range. This was definitely a rude awakening for me b/c I realized paper loss and pen/pencil markings were present on a decent amount of them, not to mention the appeal of the card (which is the primary thing I look at now) was usually gone.

Now that I look at the card as a whole, my collection has much better appeal...had to learn the hard way tho

As of right now, I collect only graded cards...mainly so I don't get burned by trim jobs or have to completely trust Ebay sellers (we know how that goes). Plus by the grade, I know what defects the card may have.

Or you could just purchase/trade from people who you trust, or strangers who give refunds for raw cards. You look at it, you be the judge. The problem would only be if you needed to trade/sell it, but that's not really a problem either because you can also give the same deal. That's the old school way of dealing with other hobbyists - trust and fairness.

I recently traded for a T206 that looked like it might have been Tinker'd with on the right side (or did I take a 'Chance'? - I always get these two cards mixed up). I simply asked the trader and he said it was good. I received it, looked at it and was happy. Is it trimmed? I don't think so, and if I ever get rid of it, that's still my opinion. If the next guy who ends up with it thinks it is trimmed, he can give it back to me. It shouldn't ever be any big deal, as long as you are working with good people.

(The more we talk about this, the more I'm considering freeing all my guys)

[novakjr]

I know most of you are distracted by the paper loss, but does anyone else notice the massive stain that engulfs almost half of the back? Why is there no evidence of similar staining on the front? I'm thinking that stain and paperloss aside, this card has probably also been doctored, and therefore should be "AUTH" at best. Chemical cleaning could be an explanation for the bleeding on the bottom border of the front.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I know most of you are distracted by the paper loss, but does anyone else notice the massive stain that engulfs almost half of the back? Why is there no evidence of similar staining on the front? I'm thinking that stain and paperloss aside, this card has probably also been doctored, and therefore should be "AUTH" at best. Unless it's not a stain, and simply a shadow.

The "staining" actually covers about 80% (or more) of the back (top and bottom). It's likely an instance of scrapbook removal and not a doctoring job.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by t206hound

The "staining" actually covers about 80% (or more) of the back (top and bottom). It's likely an instance of scrapbook removal and not a doctoring job.

Exactly - the paper loss at the top and bottom left corners goes along with this perfectly.

Before slabbing, because of the great front, would this be worth the same as a card graded EX by today's standards?

When I first got into T206's, I couldn't understand why anyone even cared about the backs - thought, "WTF - there's no stats!?! Who cares about an ad?"

I still don't care about the vintage stamps, especially the ones that have a 1909-11 date - I think they add to the coolness.

[freakhappy]

I trust everyone here...but Ebay is a different story. Just don't feel like getting burned and going through the hassle. Now if I was able to get a good deal on a card and knew it was authentic, then I would purchase it. Just a preference I guess