T206 sov 460 super print question

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ted and Tim,

Great stuff. Regardless of who's right or wrong (or somewhere in-between), the discussions and dissent gets everyone thinking and is very useful and interesting. Based on this thread, I spent all afternoon reading posts on T206's after years of not caring less what back was on any of them. I still don't care enough to collect backs, but very interesting ongoing research on both of your parts nonetheless. Thanks.

I appreciate your kind words; but, there is a concern here as to......"who's right or wrong". For this past year both Jim and Tim have posted on this forum (and
have behind the scenes) stated lies about me in order to demean my character.....for whatever diabolical reasons that they harbor towards me.

You and I have a mutual friend, Mark Macrae. I met Mark at the Willow Grove show back in 1981. We have been very good friends for 30 years now, ever since
then. If you want an independent opinion of me, just ask Mark.


Thanks and best regards,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

For this past year both Jim and Tim have posted on this forum (and have behind the scenes) stated lies about me in order to demean my character.....for whatever diabolical reasons that they harbor towards me.

TED Z

That's absolutely false. You believe because I take a different opinion than you that I have something against you but that is not the case and I certainly don't spend my time attempting to demean anyone's character.

Regarding the Nichols scan you did say you owned it, added it to a checklist, faked a scan of it, couldn't produce it and ultimately admitted you were mistaken in saying you owned it. Nothing about that is a lie and I wasn't a party to any of the personal attacks in that thread. Anyone can go back and read that for themselves.

Stick to the topics at hand like this Sovereign 460 discussion and I will do the same. If you have a different opinion than mine than just say so but understand I have the right to disagree with you. When I do you are free to ask me how I arrived at my opinion and I will gladly share with you the facts and information that allowed me to get from point A to B and any information that I believe contradicts your opinion. When someone brings up a topic like this Sovereign 460 discussion I'm allowed to present my opinion for others to consider. Neither them nor you have to agree with me, nor do I have to agree with you.

[mrvster]

Scott,
btw...u won the ab johnson???i think u caught the bug

...cause i have been chasing ab 350 no frames lately


I too was collecting t206 for a while and not caring too much about the backs either...i was into the rare errors/scraps( btw-which i still am- and mac's marquard on the bay is sweet, printer laid down red instead of blue, gave marquard a tan and an orange background!!!) and let rare backs slip by like all of us for $20 a card .......



ironically can't find too many scraps around the last few years...so, loving the set, i turned my focus to the rarer backs myself(and Hank L. i used to say who cares about the backs to you)...this is where the monster got even more interesting....


the rarirties are really not plank...magie...wag(relatively speaking, and don't get me wrong would love one if i could afford it)....try a brown old mill, some ghosted chance back, bender over print fronts, broadleaf 460, cassidy missing color scrap blank back, brown lenox, where only one or 2 known examples exist for each pose or player, brown lenox, they are fun and expensive, the bottom line undisputed RARE , TRULY DEFINITION OF RARE......

something fun was finding the rarer back combo to fronts....chasing pristine cards to me just gets way too expensive( gem common for 10 k when i could score a brown om???)......so collecting tougher sub sets and seeing if certain cards exists becomes fun and very challenging to the most advanced what i call t206 "experts"......the info is priceless and knowledge just sheds even more light on to this very interesting and complex set....we discover new info everyday and learn more and more every single day, and never know every secret...


info needs to be shared and correct to be relevant, it will help all of us understand this set, and corney enough, sometimes each other...


Tim and Jim have been studying these backs/set for many years like other hobby veterans....Art m. John M.(wonka), Craig W, Brian W., Dan m, Jantz, Mike H., Johnny D ....i hate even starting to mention any names cause there really are just so so many true veterans/experts on this set i really wouldn't want to leave anyone out.......


In all due respect T-rex, you really sound like a great guy, an intelligent guy, i actually read your info and bought mr chance cause of the rarity of the super print...i love that pic of u w/ Wonks.....we need your knowledge and intel on this set like anyone else....you prob know more than me about the set me im sure, you had a set before i even thought about collecting it, but guys like tim and jim are true experts(we don't need resumes).....listen to weisner or art if you ever want to get schooled on the set, or dan and wonks also.....they are prob the top 6 guys on this set...imo......they just have the time and cards to back it up, trust me on this one....but no one really is out to get you....
i am not going to verbally beat you up, i like you
ted, jim gets upset, thats all.....tits up a stand up guy i would put my rep on the line for jim r, he is a tru friend to me and not only a collector....i don't know tim, but his absolute knowledge supercedes any exchanging conversation i have never had w him....

we need one thing of you....

an open mind.....
(i'm not accussing you of any of this btw)

alleged:

if you were wrong about a card or two in the set, who cares anymore..

if the nicholls didn't exist, just fess up and blame it on the monster, look what chan did, your no where close to being that messed up, but the set does strange things to collectors i forgive you ....give us some of your wisdom

if you embelished and said u had a set together ab 460 which i love you could teach me a thing or two about it, then sold it....who cares anymore...i forgive you, ps would've liked a few cards myself

i am no where an expert on this set(except for the freaks i am self proclaimingLOL because i am one), just a lover of the t206 cards and people/collectors in general....

keep the faith y'all.....because i need all of y'alls knowledge when it comes to this set...we just want to advance the set

i want to thank all the collectors who i spend countless hours boring them on the horn who have given me a wealth of knowledge on this set



PHEW!!!!

glad i got that off my chest


Peace


Respectfully
John Vanderbeck

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Scott,
btw...u won the ab johnson???i think u caught the bug

...cause i have been chasing ab 350 no frames lately

Yes, John. I have always loved the AB backs. My snipe was $777.77 (I was feeling creative) and someone else sniped $777.00. I got milked for almost every cent possible!

Thanks for the interesting post. Don't get me wrong - I used to have two very nice BL 460's, and some other very nice scraps and other 1-of-a kind t206 items. All gone now, but examined, documented, written about. I still love that stuff, but I still find the lithos on the front to be the main attraction.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I appreciate your kind words; but, there is a concern here as to......"who's right or wrong". For this past year both Jim and Tim have posted on this forum (and
have behind the scenes) stated lies about me in order to demean my character.....for whatever diabolical reasons that they harbor towards me.

You and I have a mutual friend, Mark Macrae. I met Mark at the Willow Grove show back in 1981. We have been very good friends for 30 years now, ever since
then. If you want an independent opinion of me, just ask Mark.


Thanks and best regards,

TED Z

I completely understand - I just wanted you two to realize that, as an outside observer, you are BOTH appreciated. My opinion of everyone is positive unless I get an unwarranted attack, and even then I forget about it as quickly as possible - I have found that most people I have fought with have something important to share that far outweighs any pleasure I might get from 'winning' a discussion with them. This is fun stuff.

[danmckee]

Awesome card! I did hear that Chance used blush before games so maybe the Sovereign company decided to portray a more realistic Frank Chance?

Ted, Tim, and Jim R. Great info going back and forth.

Tim, stop posting like a robot and get some personal feelings in there instead of just facts!

Ted, That slice of pizza I gave you at the Oaks show was NOT purchased by Jim R. so no need to hold back for that reason.

Jim R., I am still very interested in the T206 Dunn CB trade for your dump truck - let's talk

Wonka, oh that's right, he isn't here!

Runscott, Hello Scott! Long time for us, glad to see you back!

Dan

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Awesome card! I did hear that Chance used blush before games so maybe the Sovereign company decided to portray a more realistic Frank Chance?

Ted, Tim, and Jim R. Great info going back and forth.

Tim, stop posting like a robot and get some personal feelings in there instead of just facts!

Ted, That slice of pizza I gave you at the Oaks show was NOT purchased by Jim R. so no need to hold back for that reason.

Jim R., I am still very interested in the T206 Dunn CB trade for your dump truck - let's talk

Wonka, oh that's right, he isn't here!

Runscott, Hello Scott! Long time for us, glad to see you back!

Dan

Thanks Dan - it's also great to see you posting so much. You must be having a good time despite your card-slabbing debacle!