T206 sov 460 super print question

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Tim

The SGC pop report data I have is as follows......

Super-Print .... SOV 460 .... SOV 350

Cobb ................. 1 ............... 8

Evers ................. 1 .............. 2

Mathewson ......... 0 .............. 4

I got this data off the SGC website today. Where are you getting your numbers from, they don't jive ?

TED Z

These are fresh screen shots from SGC's pop reports just taken for Evers, Cobb and Mathewson. The other three can not be accurately totaled.

[tedzan]

The row without the exact pose identified is not a valid pop report for a SOVEREIGN 460 card.

The bottom rows of the Cobb and Evers are the accurate pop report data. And, these agree with the data I gleaned from SGC's website.

And, the Matty data is unknown.....it does not pertain to a SOVEREIGN 460 Matty.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

The 1911 in each row is how SGC identifies the 460 Series.

No other Evers, Mathewson or Cobb pose is possible with a Sovereign 460 series back, so all of the unidentified Sovereign have to be the super prints.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

The 1911 in each row is how SGC identifies the 460 Series.

No other Evers, Mathewson or Cobb pose is possible with a Sovereign 460 series back, so all of the unidentified Sovereign have to be the super prints.

Tim

This is not so, the unidentified Sovereign data can be anything ? ?

It is my understanding (from the SGC guys), that if you do NOT type in the EXACT pose information, you cannot expect to get the EXACT POP REPORT data
that you are looking for.

Therefore, your data on "1911 Sovereign"....WITHOUT TYPING IN THE EXACT POSE does not necessarily provide you the accurate pop report that you desire.
Your graphic shows two contradictory rows of data.

I don't trust the data you have posted on the Cobb, Evers & Matty that does not provide the pose identification in the DESCRIPTION box.....notwithstanding,
that you took the short-cut by only typing in "1911".


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Ted - I'm confident that the numbers I presented are accurate and not misleading. Your inability and unwillingness to understand them do not make them any less factual but it does preclude this discussion from moving forward.

[cfc1909]

There is only one pose for Cobb Evers and Matty in the 1911 460 it has to be Sovereign 460-It could not be anything else.

If they were 350 apple green they would be listed as 1910.

Tim is willing to give you all this information respectfully-its time to try and undersand because even a novice can see this

[tedzan]

No kidding, Jim......

Most would say I wrote the book on the T206 SOVEREIGN cards with all the research I have done on them these past 5 years.
And, name any one else who has completed this set and has identified all the No-Prints in it ?

Tim

The "UNIDENTIFIED" 1911 SOVEREIGN cards (all brands for that matter) were graded when SGC initially started up. After about
10 months, in SGC's first year in the business, they started IDENTIFYING the various poses on the flip. Therefore, an educated
T206 collector could compare the YEAR with the POSE and be certain of the accuracy.

So, I am sorry, but I cannot trust the identification accuracy of those first run UNIDENTIFIED cards that SGC graded. We have
seen enough mis-labelling on the early flips (both SGC and PSA) that should make anyone very cautious.


TED Z