The Oaks Show and SGC Grading

[danmckee]

First off, I don't "run" to anyone to get my cards graded. 99.9% of my keeper collection, that will trash yours I am sure, is all RAW!.

I rarely grade but will grade so I can sell to idiots that pay more for cards graded by idiots that have no clue.

I have been doing this 40+ years, I "run" to no one for anything!

And I have forgotten more than any of the idiot grading companies will ever know.

I will try to scan a few for you guys, I have to unpack from the show

Dan

PS I know that wasn't directed at me but I wanted to use it as a stress release! thanks

[snider4prez]

Damm Dan!!! You are pretty pissed here. I am sure rightfully so but really whats the big deal just ask for your money back, show them that you took the cards out of there holders and you are not happy. Not to sound so point blank by any means but F them and get your money back. You know enough good collectors that trust your grading skills to sell to. Send me a list of what you got and I will see if I can help. Say hi to your Dad for me, I hope you are doing well other than this silly card stuff?

Trevor Hocking

[danmckee]

Ask for my money back? I paid them $1800+ and had to pop 50% of the cards. I can't ask them for the money back, I paid for a service and they provided it. It was just a PISS POOR service! The OJ's are gem! maybe a touch of silver fish paper eating on back, a 1.5???? WHAT A JOKE! Backs shouldn't even matter on old judges, image quality should be important. I have 5's that you can't see the image hardly. This grading is a complete joke and a cancer to the true hobby!

I sent in 300+ cards and busted half of them out, EMBARRASSING!

[danmckee]

Yea, I am way pissed Trevor, but cured from ever sending in another large submission. Probably a blessing in disguise.

[kcohen]

Yea Dan. Hanging out and getting stupid with hobby friends is the best part of card shows, which is why the hobby will be so diminished if/when they disappear.

As to OJ grading, I've whined about this often. You could submit some smokey unidentifiable image with sharp corners and a clean back and it gets a 5 or 6, whereas a crystal clear sharp photo image with scrapbook damage on the back gets a 1. Makes no sense. Frankly, I think that most OJ collector's couldn't give a rat's (!) about the numerical grade.

[danmckee]

I completely agree Ken! To a true collector, the numerical grade is but a joke!

[CubsFanCurt]

I've never believed in grading. When I was a kid I just wanted a card and VG or MNT didn't mean a damn thing. Condition is condition and I don't need a slab to tell me what I have and I won't pay extra because it's slabbed

[danmckee]

I can live with the yellow Gehrig and the recently acquired Washington Times but the T205 BLAZER was from the family that removed it from a pack and the rounded corner Gehrig has been in my set since 1975. A complete embarrassing joke!

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Yea Dan. Hanging out and getting stupid with hobby friends is the best part of card shows, which is why the hobby will be so diminished if/when they disappear.

As to OJ grading, I've whined about this often. You could submit some smokey unidentifiable image with sharp corners and a clean back and it gets a 5 or 6, whereas a crystal clear sharp photo image with scrapbook damage on the back gets a 1. Makes no sense. Frankly, I think that most OJ collector's couldn't give a rat's (!) about the numerical grade.

+1

[wonkaticket]

Dan's T205's from the find in MD, Mattern was in a 5 poped at the show became a 4...LOL.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by danmckee

this grading is a complete joke and a cancer to the true hobby!

yep!!

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by danmckee

First off, I don't "run" to anyone to get my cards graded. 99.9% of my keeper collection, that will trash yours I am sure, is all RAW!.
I rarely grade but will grade so I can sell to idiots that pay more for cards graded by idiots that have no clue.

I have been doing this 40+ years, I "run" to no one for anything!

And I have forgotten more than any of the idiot grading companies will ever know.

I will try to scan a few for you guys, I have to unpack from the show

Dan

PS I know that wasn't directed at me but I wanted to use it as a stress release! thanks

I stopped reading there. Congrats...for being a douche

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by danmckee

First off, I don't "run" to anyone to get my cards graded. 99.9% of my keeper collection, that will trash yours I am sure, is all RAW!.

I rarely grade but will grade so I can sell to idiots that pay more for cards graded by idiots that have no clue.

I have been doing this 40+ years, I "run" to no one for anything!

And I have forgotten more than any of the idiot grading companies will ever know.

I will try to scan a few for you guys, I have to unpack from the show

Dan

PS I know that wasn't directed at me but I wanted to use it as a stress release! thanks

So just to recap your stress release:

You are upset because you, who runs to noone for 40+ years, ran to SGC to get your RAW cards graded. But the idiot graders (that have no clue how to grade) graded them objectively - which you forgot more than they know that due to paperloss they grade low - instead of grading them subjectively which could've made them 10s. And now the idiots who buy graded cards won't give you the profit you deserve.

and timber is a douche cuz your 99.9% raw keeper collection will trash his.

okay, got it!

[sportscardpete]

Ahh, too bad I missed the show. I was planning on going during the weekend, but didn't feel like dealing with the traffic from NY-PA.

Glad you guys had fun!

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

So just to recap your stress release:

and timber is a douche cuz your 99.9% raw keeper collection will trash his.

okay, got it!

Rob - Not to speak for Dan, but in all fairness that's not what he was saying IMO. After all, Mr. Timber was the first to hurl the "d" word. Just sayin'.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Rob - Not to speak for Dan, but in all fairness that's not what he was saying IMO. After all, Mr. Timber was the first to hurl the "d" word. Just sayin'.

edited to keep it G rated.....

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Rob - Not to speak for Dan, but in all fairness that's not what he was saying IMO. After all, Mr. Timber was the first to hurl the "d" word. Just sayin'.

You're right Ken. But mr timber made a general non-aggressive statement about people getting stuff graded, and Dan went after him pretty rough with the "my collection will trash yours" comment. Perhaps I read it wrong. Dan is probably a very nice guy. He must be if Ken and Leon both get along with him haha . And this is his thread is his, but I just thought the way he was taking it out on mr timber was over the top. We are all collectors of cards, so no need to bash other people's collections with mine-is-bigger-than-yours comparisons. If anyone needs to get bashed for a poor collection its me!!!

Seriously Dan, sorry for interrupting, continue venting!

As a side note on grading ... I like that cards are graded objectively and not how they appear. Some people don't want paperloss (i happen to be fine w/it) at all with cards in their collection. If the paperloss is tiny but the card was given an "8" due to beautiful eye appeal, the buyer of the card may be unhappy since more often than not the seller wouldn't disclose the paperloss. Thats why I liked the idea of Becketts old grading system with 4 subgrades that made up the total grade. It gave you a better idea of what was wrong with the card. I'm sure SGC/PSA can make some money when they "revolutionize" the industry with subgrades and the collectors of plastic can resubmit their holders for new ones!

[calvindog]

Dan,

All your cards suck and are overgraded.

Sincerely,
Jeff

[Bicem]

We can use the word douche? This changes everything.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bicem

we can use the word douche? This changes everything.

lol

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Bicem

We can use the word douche? This changes everything.

only if you use it as a verb