E90-1 Joe Jackson (PSA 2) REAL?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Kenny,

I also spoke with you via email and you seem very friendly and sincere. However, after that, someone named Danny Z. started emailing me stating that I didn't know what the heck I was talking about, asking me what were my credentials, blah, blah, blah. He had a very crappy attitutude. I don't know if he is an employee of yours, a business partner or whatever, but he was a real JERK!

Like other members here, I was only trying to get this this listing removed so nobody got taken advantage of. Anyway, he wouldn't shut up about it and I finally said, "If you think I am wrong, then why did you remove the listing? If you think I am wrong, then GROW A SET OF BALLS and re-list the card! His repsonse was, "The card will be re-listed." Obviously the card wasn't relisted.

Anyway, after me and several others pointed out the reasons that the card was fake and Mike posted photos of the real card, I'm just curious what Danny has to say now?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Kenny,

One other thing. You stated in your email to me, "I bought these items from a cutomer who has sold us other items in our store, and have had no problems whatsoever."

If that is the case, would you mind sharing with the rest of the board the name of the individual that sold you these fakes so we don't get taken advantage of by the same guy? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

[KennyJ1970]

I really want to let everyone know about this guy, however, I am not allowed to give his name by law. Every item we take into the store has to have a purchase order, which is protected by confidentiality laws. I hate that in this case, but I am not allowed without a police report. All I can say is that he is a 55 yr. old from northeast Ohio. I know that sucks, but I am talking to the police on Monday, and if I can say anything else, I absolutely will. I apologize for Danny. He was very upset with finding this out, and that he had just lost a bundle of money. No excuse for how he spoke to some of you, but he is...abrasive sometimes.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by KennyJ1970

I really want to let everyone know about this guy, however, I am not allowed to give his name by law. Every item we take into the store has to have a purchase order, which is protected by confidentiality laws. I hate that in this case, but I am not allowed without a police report. All I can say is that he is a 55 yr. old from northeast Ohio. I know that sucks, but I am talking to the police on Monday, and if I can say anything else, I absolutely will. I apologize for Danny. He was very upset with finding this out, and that he had just lost a bundle of money. No excuse for how he spoke to some of you, but he is...abrasive sometimes.

I dont get it. You said you purchased it from this guy. I dont understand how that is confidential. I would expose this guy for the scum that he is.

[KennyJ1970]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

I dont get it. You said you purchased it from this guy. I dont understand how that is confidential. I would expose this guy for the scum that he is.

According to the law, if someone had something stolen and came to us, we can't even release the info to the victim of the theft without a police report.

[vintagecpa]

Hey Kenny, I assume all these cards came from the same seller, but the 1952 Topps Roy Campanella PSA 8 that you sold a few days ago for $3,550 looks suspicious also.

Here is a link to your card you sold on EBay on 11/7/11

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-ROY-CAM...4#ht_518wt_689

Here is a link to the same card being sold at the August, 2008 Goodwin Auction (at least same certification number)

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=5552

From my semi-untrained eye, it doesn't appear to be the same card. I would like a board member with more experience with 1952 Topps and PSA slabs to give a better opinion.

Finally, the same card and certification number was listed for sale on Craigs List in Louisville on November 1.

http://louisville.craigslist.org/clt/2680098176.html

I wish I had better news. Hopefully, this will all be helpful info when you file your police report.

Mike

[Runscott]

Ugghh.. Mike, once again, not only are the cards definitely different, but the fonts and letter locations are way off on the PSA label.

Another fraudulent card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Hey Kenny, I assume all these cards came from the same seller, but the 1952 Topps Roy Campanella PSA 8 that you sold a few days ago for $3,550 looks suspicious also.

Here is a link to your card you sold on EBay on 11/7/11

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-ROY-CAM...4#ht_518wt_689

Here is a link to the same card being sold at the August, 2008 Goodwin Auction (at least same certification number)

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=5552

From my semi-untrained eye, it doesn't appear to be the same card. I would like a board member with more experience with 1952 Topps and PSA slabs to give a better opinion.

Finally, the same card and certification number was listed for sale on Craigs List in Louisville on November 1.

http://louisville.craigslist.org/clt/2680098176.html

I wish I had better news. Hopefully, this will all be helpful info when you file your police report.

Mike

Mike,

Good catch. They are definitely NOT the same card although they share the same serial number.

Card from Goodwin Auction:


Card from Kenny:


The real one (Goodwin) has a noticable tilt.

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Mike,

Good catch. They are definitely NOT the same card although they share the same serial number.

Card from Goodwin Auction:


Card from Kenny:


The real one (Goodwin) has a noticable tilt.

Its not even close! Is it that easy to tamper with PSA holders?

[Jacklitsch]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

Its not even close! Is it that easy to tamper with PSA holders?

Fake flip and holder. Look at the positioning of the "S" in the word TOPPS over the second "A" in Campanella. They don't line up.

Scammer created a new flip using a correct cert number in case anyone were to check.

EDIT: Looks like Walkscott beat me to this analysis.

[vintagecpa]

Jim, it isn't the same holder. If you look at the "NM-M 8" on both slabs, the spacing is different. The barcode looks off also. I now suspect the original Joe Jackson and Campanella card still exist in the original slab as opposed to someone cracking the case and replacing the card. Purely speculation on my part.