Goodwin Pick-ups

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I don't really understand the outbid thing. I generally put in my ceiling bids and walk away - if anyone wanted to pay more than what the cards were worth, they were welcome to them.

What's the strategy behind putting in a bid below what you're willing to pay, and waiting to be outbid?

Well, considering that there is an active federal grand jury investigation of the once biggest auction house committing massive fraud which included raising bids to the ceiling levels placed by bidders, I'd say "not getting defrauded" would be the strategy of choice.

[Kenny Cole]

Jeff,

OK, whatever. Besides that, what would be the reason?

[calvindog]

What's the strategy of walking outside with an umbrella when it's raining? I never really understood that one either.

[Kenny Cole]

Buzzkiller.

[brass_rat]

Originally Posted by calvindog

What's the strategy of walking outside with an umbrella when it's raining? I never really understood that one either.

LOL!

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Seriously though, I like tossing in low or medium bids as placeholders to come back to later once you can see how the bidding is shaping up...

Steve

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by calvindog

What's the strategy of walking outside with an umbrella when it's raining? I never really understood that one either.

Sorry I asked. It was a serious question and I'm sure it isn't simply your strategy to avoid the auction house screwing you with a shill. Or are you really that paranoid?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Sorry I asked. It was a serious question and I'm sure it isn't simply your strategy to avoid the auction house screwing you with a shill. Or are you really that paranoid?

I don't know -- have you represented any witnesses in any pending grand juries which are investigating shill bidding of auction houses? Or did you just stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night? I can tell you unequivocally (that means I'm not pretending I know something because I'm sitting behind a computer while writing on a chat board) that auction houses have looked at the ceiling bids of its customers and run the price up to that bid.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't know -- have you represented any witnesses in any pending grand juries which are investigating shill bidding of auction houses? Or did you just stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night? I can tell you unequivocally (that means I'm not pretending I know something because I'm sitting behind a computer while writing on a chat board) that auction houses have looked at the ceiling bids of its customers and run the price up to that bid.

Calvin - I asked a question, it got some discussion going from intelligent board members. That's all I was looking for.

Kenny, etc. - thanks for the responses.

[calvindog]

Scott, and I'm serious -- I think many, many bidders don't leave ceiling bids on auctions because of the fear of fraud by the house. I suspect most would tell you that. It sucks that with the houses ending auctions at 5 am that leaving ceiling bids is not done due to the potential fraud which only serves to keep prices down. But the auctioneers have no one to blame but themselves.

[cozmokramer]

Loving this card... Now I'll have to sell some stuff to afford it! Who needs Gypsy Queens?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by cozmokramer

Loving this card... Now I'll have to sell some stuff to afford it! Who needs Gypsy Queens?

I think I'm getting sick. That was one of the 1872 cdv set that I sold about eight years ago, like an idiot. Those were really great little albumen cards.

[cozmokramer]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I think I'm getting sick. That was one of the 1872 cdv set that I sold about eight years ago, like an idiot. Those were really great little albumen cards.

Sorry that you let these go some time ago Scott. I'm super excited about acquiring it. I tried to get the Andy Leonard that sold as well... but it really jumped out of my price range.

Since there are only a handful of these out there and most are graded SGC AUTH, I'm just really excited to get this one that's graded a SGC 10/1.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by cozmokramer

Sorry that you let these go some time ago Scott. I'm super excited about acquiring it. I tried to get the Andy Leonard that sold as well... but it really jumped out of my price range.

Since there are only a handful of these out there and most are graded SGC AUTH, I'm just really excited to get this one that's graded a SGC 10/1.

It's funny how things go back and forth with their popularity. The original group was missing only Barnes, the Wrights and Spalding. I thought I was getting a steal, and ended up breaking even by the time I had sold all of them. I believe I held Leonard and McVey the longest.

Glad you got hold of one.

The auction strategy discussion was interesting. I quit reading after Calvin replaced me with a straw man. Discussions aren't meant to be 'won' - my apologies to all of you for reading past his first post, and for responding to any of them.

[GaryPassamonte]

I believe there are actually 15 players known from the 1872 Warren street clothes CdVs. They are H. Wright, G. Wright, Spalding, Barnes, Leonard, O'Rourke, Manning, Schafer, White, Birdsall, Sweasy, McVey, Gould, Rogers, and Ryan.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The auction strategy discussion was interesting. I quit reading after Calvin replaced me with a straw man. Discussions aren't meant to be 'won' - my apologies to all of you for reading past his first post, and for responding to any of them.

So you quit reading -- but kept responding to the posts? Maybe Kreskin was helping you. And I hate to inform you, Scott, but you lost that "discussion" pretty badly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, considering that there is an active federal grand jury investigation of the once biggest auction house committing massive fraud which included raising bids to the ceiling levels placed by bidders, I'd say "not getting defrauded" would be the strategy of choice.

Must be a very complex case if said allegedly active investigation is now into its fourth year.

[calvindog]

Happens all the time. Not every case is considered as important as a ticking time-bomb terror case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Happens all the time. Not every case is considered as important as a ticking time-bomb terror case.

Does the grand jury get together once a year for coffee?

[ChiefBenderForever]

Sadly couldn't bid on the Victory

[terjung]

Originally Posted by ChiefBenderForever

Sadly couldn't bid on the Victory

I specifically thought about you when I saw that card. Sorry, bud.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by terjung

I specifically thought about you when I saw that card. Sorry, bud.

Thanks man, any plans on bidding were destroyed after 8 days without power and below freezing nights, it was surreal to say the least. In a span of two months almost two weeks without power from the hurricane and this brutal nor easter. Never again, bought a generator, five gas cans and having the electrical box hooked up so just have to plug in outside and start it and will have power. During the outage only thoughts were staying warm and getting the kids fed, although I did have thoughts of the Victory every now and then lol.