I conducted myself poorly and I apologize

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

That's a good idea Greg, a very good idea. And Scott, I can't remember the last time there was a squabble regarding Bats and Jerseys being legit. I'm sure there have been, but it would be miniscule compared to autographs.

That could be. I just know that I've never trusted modern game-used anything. It was very refreshing the other day to see you guys i.d. the Munson World Series jersey. I love hearing that things are as real as they are certified to be.

Autographs are just nuts - as a kid who used to get free autographs from pro players (I still have every one of them), I can't imagine standing in line and paying a guy to sign something. I have only bought autographs from dead guys.

Trimmed and altered cards are just as bad.

All of the above are why I ended up gravitating to cool old stuff that no one would have any incentive to mess with.

[JimH5]

Richard, you have been (and continue to be) a terrific force in the autograph business.

I've only done business with you once, but have read the newsletter section on your site regularly for many years.

I appreciate your work in trying to clean up the hobby.

My presence here is almost exclusively as a lurker, but I read your posts with the recognition that you are highly skilled and honorable.

You don't need to apologize to me.

[Lordstan]

I don't think separating the autographs from memorabilia is needed.
First of there aren't that many posts on this side to begin with. Second, you already have a way to not read posts about Collectors Corner, bogus Ruths. Don't open them!
People have complained before about autograph threads, yet they still read them. Why? People complain about bickering threads, yet they still read them. Why? So far, between the first Simon vs Atkatz thread, the "Who do you side with?" thread, and this thread they have 7379 views and 190 replies since 10/31(4 days). In contrast, the "Centerpice of your collection thread" has only 3329 views and 56 replies since 10/23 (11d).
It seems strange to me that the stuff people complain about is the stuff they read. Even Scott, who brought up separating autographs was the last person to post in the "authenticity question" thread. You read 34 posts prior to posting your self. If you don't like those threads, why did you read it?

I guess I like everything together, because I don't have to bounce from forum to forum. Don't read the threads that don't interest you!

Oh and BTW, I have seen arguments on the forum for many things including cards, photos, autos, bats, outing auctions, and the list goes on. I've also seen threads about fake signs/display items, fake pennants, and hucksters selling all manner of fake crap. It's gonna happen no matter how you seprate things. Just avoid the things you don't like.
Just my 2c.

Best to all,
Mark

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I don't think separating the autographs from memorabilia is needed.
First of there aren't that many posts on this side to begin with. Second, you already have a way to not read posts about Collectors Corner, bogus Ruths. Don't open them!
People have complained before about autograph threads, yet they still read them. Why? People complain about bickering threads, yet they still read them. Why? So far, between the first Simon vs Atkatz thread, the "Who do you side with?" thread, and this thread they have 7379 views and 190 replies since 10/31(4 days). In contrast, the "Centerpice of your collection thread" has only 3329 views and 56 replies since 10/23 (11d).
It seems strange to me that the stuff people complain about is the stuff they read. Even Scott, who brought up separating autographs was the last person to post in the "authenticity question" thread. You read 34 posts prior to posting your self. If you don't like those threads, why did you read it?

I guess I like everything together, because I don't have to bounce from forum to forum. Don't read the threads that don't interest you!

Oh and BTW, I have seen arguments on the forum for many things including cards, photos, autos, bats, outing auctions, and the list goes on. I've also seen threads about fake signs/display items, fake pennants, and hucksters selling all manner of fake crap. It's gonna happen no matter how you seprate things. Just avoid the things you don't like.
Just my 2c.

Best to all,
Mark

Mark, using your logic we could just lump in a forum on Cabbage Patch dolls, and maybe even one on venereal disease. Any thread you don't like, just don't open it.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Mark, using your logic we could just lump in a forum on Cabbage Patch dolls, and maybe even one on venereal disease. Any thread you don't like, just don't open it.

Scott,
If you can show how Cabbage Patch dolls fit in a PreWWII baseball Vintage memorabilia category feel free to post away. (I was going to include VD above, but I remembered the letter Mantle wrote describing his favorite memory of Yankee stadium as being a hummer he got below the bleachers. So I guess it might fit in certain circumstances)
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...HIFNr5ZPZUNmNQ

Listen, I don't want to argue with you. We each have our own opinion and that is fine. Autographs are sports memorabilia and many are vintage. Therefore they fit the forum criteria. I do agree that posts about Mantle signatures, while often informative, are a little off topic as they are all post war. I say a little, because not that long ago Leon changed the forum name to "(Primarily) Vintage." OTOH, posts about fake Ruths and bogus Mathewsons are absolutely on topic, just like posts about fake pennants that were on ebay and the fake Yankee silver serving platters, among others.

Best to all,
Mark

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Listen, I don't want to argue with you.

Hi Mark,

I know, you want to state your opinion and have me accept it. Why aren't cards and memorabilia grouped together? They're similar. Why aren't pre-war and post-war cards grouped together? They're similar. Autographs and memorabilia? Not really all that similar. Same for cabbage patch dolls and memorabilia, although neither involve autographs so there could be an argument that they are more similar.

Basically, each person wants the forums organized according to their own collecting tastes. What's good for the majority is not actually how the break-out is determined. This is a pre-war baseball card forum - all else falls where the owner wants it to.

[perezfan]

I completely agree with Mark (Lordstan) on this. I have always considered autographs to be a key segment of the Memorabilia realm. There are fakes in every aspect of memorabilia, so how is this any different?

The Memorabilia Board gets about a third as many posts as the Card side. So what's the harm here? I choose not to read all the threads asking to identify some obscure player in the back row of a mutilated team photo. Can't people simply choose to ignore the autograph threads, if they are that repulsed by them?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I completely agree with Mark (Lordstan) on this. I have always considered autographs to be a key segment of the Memorabilia realm. There are fakes in every aspect of memorabilia, so how is this any different?

The Memorabilia Board gets about a third as many posts as the Card side. So what's the harm here? I choose not to read all the threads asking to identify some obscure player in the back row of a mutilated team photo. Can't people simply choose to ignore the autograph threads, if they are that repulsed by them?

Mark, for the reasons you state, there is no harm at all. I only suggested it because the autograph and game-used scam stories kind of make me want to throw up. That's all.

As far as ignoring certain threads; again, we could add cabbage patch dolls and you could ignore those. There's no logic in that logic. The discussion as to what forums belong together should be based on relevance, not our ability as humans to ignore things we're not interested in.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I don't think separating the autographs from memorabilia is needed.
First of there aren't that many posts on this side to begin with. Second, you already have a way to not read posts about Collectors Corner, bogus Ruths. Don't open them!
People have complained before about autograph threads, yet they still read them. Why? People complain about bickering threads, yet they still read them. Why? So far, between the first Simon vs Atkatz thread, the "Who do you side with?" thread, and this thread they have 7379 views and 190 replies since 10/31(4 days). In contrast, the "Centerpice of your collection thread" has only 3329 views and 56 replies since 10/23 (11d).
It seems strange to me that the stuff people complain about is the stuff they read. Even Scott, who brought up separating autographs was the last person to post in the "authenticity question" thread. You read 34 posts prior to posting your self. If you don't like those threads, why did you read it?

I guess I like everything together, because I don't have to bounce from forum to forum. Don't read the threads that don't interest you!

Oh and BTW, I have seen arguments on the forum for many things including cards, photos, autos, bats, outing auctions, and the list goes on. I've also seen threads about fake signs/display items, fake pennants, and hucksters selling all manner of fake crap. It's gonna happen no matter how you seprate things. Just avoid the things you don't like.
Just my 2c.

Best to all,
Mark

Not to fret Mark....we are on the same page. I just sit back and listen. Anyone on this forum long enough knows that change isn't something taken lightly. I don't see any new forums forming concerning this issue. (but I hope everyone keeps making suggestions, they are fun to read)

[mark evans]

I don't believe I'm owed an apology by anyone. People get in spats, even public spats at times. So long as they don't run on forever.

Mark

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not to fret Mark....we are on the same page. I just sit back and listen. Anyone on this forum long enough knows that change isn't something taken lightly. I don't see any new forums forming concerning this issue. (but I hope everyone keeps making suggestions, they are fun to read)

If I remember the super-old discussions about this, the logic was that it's a pre-war baseball card forum and any sub-forum not in that specific area is lucky to exist.

I also visit pool forums and vintage clothing forums. I wouldn't want to seem them lumped together, any more than I would want to see autographs lumped in with vintage memorabilia, but that's just me.