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Old 10-31-2011, 10:18 PM
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Before I say "good night," here's my challenge to you, David.

Send it to PSA. If they pass it, I will PayPal you $200.00. If PSA rejects it, you have to PayPal me $200.00.
The ball is in my safe deposit box, Chris. I'm not going to take it out and ship it off. (I know, I know... I'm sure you'll just point out that I'm only saying that because I'm afraid it might be rejected... )

I'll tell you what. You take the most valuable autographs in your collection, enough to equal the value of my ball (assuming it's real)--about $30,000, at least, and, whether they have PSA or JSA certification or not, send them off to PSA ('Cause who knows? They might not pass today.)

You do that, and I'll send the ball off, too.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:21 PM
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The ball is in my safe deposit box, Chris. I'm not going to take it out and ship it off. (I know, I know... I'm sure you'll just point out that I'm only saying that because I'm afraid it might be rejected... )

I'll tell you what. You take the most valuable autographs in your collection, enough to equal the value of my ball (assuming it's real)--about $30,000, at least, and, whether they have PSA or JSA certification or not, send them off to PSA ('Cause who knows? They might not pass today.)

You do that, and I'll send the ball off, too.
You have my challenge, David. Good night all.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:23 PM
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And you have mine. (A somewhat more fair and equitable challenge, if I do say so myself.)
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:57 PM
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I'm gonna tell one little story here. Self-serving, to be sure. But true. And an example of how I would expect to be treated if someone was concerned about the authenticity of one of my pieces.

Just a little story from a mean-spirited, nasty, unhappy, caustic, and bitter man.

A few years ago I noticed that a Dwight Frye autograph being sold on eBay was no good. (Dwight Frye played "Renfield" in the original Dracula, and "Fritz" in the original Frankenstein. He died in 1943, long before the "monster craze" of the late 50s and early 60s. His is the rarest, and most sought after horror autograph.)

How did I know it was a phoney? Because it had been cut from a piece I used to own. And how did I know that mine was no good? Because a stranger contacted me, and showed me a scan of the original it was copied from. (The "original" was an autograph catalog page--two photos of different items appeared, and the signatures from those items had been copied on to my single first-day cover.)

So I contacted the seller, and I sent him a scan of my piece, and a scan of the original. I explained how the dealer who sold it to me insisted it was real. (And I told him who the dealer was. Was that "betraying a confidence"?) The dealer had given me a refund, but kept insisting it was real, and that he was going to cut the signatures apart, and sell them separately. That was a few years before, but wouldn't ya know it? This guy had obtained his piece from that dealer.

Had I not seen the original catalog page, I would still think my piece was real. And every horror autograph expert I showed this stuff to said the same thing: were it not for that catalog page they would be fooled.

So... Was Jimmy fooled? Am I fooled? Could be. But before I believe that, I expect a little more than "I used to know the guy that forged it 20 years ago, but I can't say his name (or the name of the dealer who tried to sell me his stuff," or "I know it won't pass Jimmy today, even though it already has."

I guess I'm just funny that way.
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Old 11-01-2011, 06:09 AM
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I received this e mail from David BEFORE he started this thread: (this e mail is quoted in its entirety)

"Look, Richard. We've known each other a long time, and we're both on the same side. Our fighting is ridiculous. I apologize for starting it, it was completely my fault.
But what I said is, in general true. I am sooo tired of hearing the hobby professionals talk about their not-to-be-spoken-of knowledge. I haven't done all that much, but I have always helped any collector who asked, and I have always been scrupulously honest.
The only other thing you could have meant by "close to home" is that I know the guy. That may be, but for the life of me, I can't figure who."

An apology and then he starts a thread attacking me.
An apology and an admission of "completely my fault."
Was that apology just sarcasm David?
Seems more like lying to me.
It certainly meant nothing.
Why apologize at all?
To make yourself look worse?
You certainly started this stupidity on the deleted thread then you apologized to me after the initial thread was deleted. Then you could not wait to prove you were a liar in your apology and started this new thread all over again.
Do you know what the word apology means David?
You admit to having not done much. You have done nothing.
I have worked hard, actual work, which I don't have commendation letters for. And I know, I will beat you to the punch, I am alluding to secrets and mysteries. Well, I know I have done good work. And you have done nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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