One T206, Two Names

[t206hound]

I'm fairly certain about the existence of the following twenty. I was able to find scans of 17 of them via Google this evening. I bolded the ones I couldn't find. The Engle-Phillippe is the most dramatic of the group, with most of the card displaying Phillippe.

01. Abbaticchio(Brown)-Cicotte (Piedmont 350)
02. Atz-Hoffman (Piedmont 350)
03. Bradley-Bender (Piedmont 150)
04. Chase(BluePortrait)-Zimmerman (Piedmont 350)
05. Delehanty(Washington)-Waddell
06. Elberfeld(NewYork)-Parent (Piedmont 350)
07. Engle-Phillippe (Piedmont 350)
08. Hoblitzell-Stephens (Piedmont 350)
09. Jennings(Portrait)-Jordan (Piedmont 350)
10. Killian(Pitching)-Chance (Piedmont 150)
11. Killian(Portrait)-Dubuc (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
12. Lindaman-Bresnahan (Piedmont 150)
13. Lundgren(Cubs)-Ball
14. Lundgren(Cubs)-Doolin
15. McElveen-Dygert (Piedmont 350)
16. McGlynn-Jones (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
17. Pickering-Myers (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory ?)
18. Snodgrass(Batting)-Maddox (Piedmont 350)
19. Spade-Cicotte (Piedmont 150)
20. Turner-Lobert

I also ran across reports of two others, but I don't recall ever seeing a scan of them:
Rossman-McBride
McGraw-Keeler

[ruth-gehrig]

I just saw one tonight rummaging through some older gentleman's stuff. I didn't get it (yet) because we need to sort through the cards. It was a weird collection...many original cards, 2 graded...and several I believe were fake!

[Abravefan11]

When examples come up with two different names on one card it's important to my research to know which back brand, series and factory number is on the card. Anytime this information can be included with a post it would be greatly appreciated.

[Anthony S.]

I own a copy of the Snodgrass (batting) with Maddox's name on top. It's a Piedmont 350, Fact. no. 25.

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

When examples come up with two different names on one card it's important to my research to know which back brand, series and factory number is on the card. Anytime this information can be included with a post it would be greatly appreciated.

[t206hound]

Jantz may have more info, but this is what I know from other threads:

01. Abbaticchio(Brown)-Cicotte (Piedmont 350)
02. Atz-Hoffman (Piedmont 350)
03. Bradley-Bender (Piedmont 150)
04. Chase(BluePortrait)-Zimmerman (Piedmont 350)
05. Delehanty(Washington)-Waddell
06. Elberfeld(NewYork)-Parent (Piedmont 350)
07. Engle-Phillippe (Piedmont 350)
08. Hoblitzell-Stephens (Piedmont 350)
09. Jennings(Portrait)-Jordan (Piedmont 350)
10. Killian(Pitching)-Chance (Piedmont 150)
11. Killian(Portrait)-Dubuc (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
12. Lindaman-Bresnahan (Piedmont 150)
13. Lundgren(Cubs)-Ball
14. Lundgren(Cubs)-Doolin
15. McElveen-Dygert (Piedmont 350)
16. McGlynn-Jones (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
17. Pickering-Myers (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory ?)
18. Snodgrass(Batting)-Maddox (Piedmont 350)
19. Spade-Cicotte (Piedmont 150)
20. Turner-Lobert

[Abravefan11]

Thanks Anthony and Erick that information is greatly appreciated.

[teetwoohsix]

Great thread Jantz, and great info Erick. So, it seems the majority are Piedmont & Sweet Caporal 150 & 350....anyone seen any of these in the 460 series?

Sincerely, Clayton

[Jantz]

Here is all the information that I have been able to gather on two different name T206s so far.

01. Abbaticchio (brown)-Cicotte PD350
02. Atz - Hoffman (Providence) PD350
03. Bradley (port.) - Bender PD150-25
04. Chase (blue port.) - Zimmerman PD350-25
05. Delehanty (Wash.) - Waddell back unknown
06. Elberfeld (NY port.) - Parent PD350
07. Engle - Phillippe PD350-25
08. Hoblitzell - Stephens PD350
09. Jennings (port.) - T. Jordan (Brooklyn) PD350-25
10. Killian (pitching) - Chance PD150
11. Killian (port.) - Dubuc SC350-30
12. Lindaman - Bresnahan PD150-25
13. Lundgren (Cubs) - Ball (NY) back unknown
14. Lundgren (Cubs) - Doolin PD150-25
15. McElveen - Dygert PD350
16. McGlynn - Jones (Detroit) SC350-30
17. Pickering - Myers (?) SC350
18. Snodgrass (batting) - Maddox PD350-25
19. Spade - Cicotte PD150-25
20. Turner - Lobert back unknown
21. McGraw (no cap port.) - Chesbro back unknown

Most of these cards are owned by board members and I have gotten my information and scans from them. The exceptions being #20 & 21 which came from T206museum. I've read the history of that website and it's owner, but I cannot rule out the possibility (at this time) that those two cards are legit.

Clayton - So far, none from the 460 series.

Erick - I was going to pass along the information about #21 to you after I won the Bradley/Bender I'm glad the Bradley/Bender has a good home now.

Tim - Hopefully the board members who own some of these cards will add some more information to the list.


Jantz

[mrvster]

I own#6 #10 and #17.......and yes on #17!! ur right on the back Jantz...btw , email me Jantz, u rock!!

Jantz, Tim, Erick, and Clayton......plz keep up the great stats, were counting on you guys....


if anyone wants to part with one of these, lmk, or any t206 freaks

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Jantz

20. Turner - Lobert back unknown
21. McGraw (no cap port.) - Chesbro back unknown

Most of these cards are owned by board members and I have gotten my information and scans from them. The exceptions being #20 & 21 which came from T206museum. I've read the history of that website and it's owner, but I cannot rule out the possibility (at this time) that those two cards are legit.
Jantz

The Turner-Lobert was in the September 2007 Sotheby's auction. I'd say that makes it a legit.
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...7#/35575027/36

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks Jantz- this is great info, and I appreciate you guys sharing your research with us.

21 known to exist- I'd say that makes these extremely rare. I'd guess that there could be a few more floating around out there "unknown"- just a guess.

I think they are awesome !!!

Johnny- how's it going my friend? Hope all is well on the East coast-

Sincerely, Clayton

[drazz5]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Most of these cards are owned by board members and I have gotten my information and scans from them. The exceptions being #20 & 21 which came from T206museum. I've read the history of that website and its owner, but I cannot rule out the possibility (at this time) that those two cards are legit.

Jantz, I’m curious what you mean by this. Is there something questionable with the history of that site? Just wondering since this is the first time I’m hearing this.

[Scott L.]

Originally Posted by drazz5

Jantz, I’m curious what you mean by this. Is there something questionable with the history of that site? Just wondering since this is the first time I’m hearing this.

Jantz sadly passed away a number of years ago.

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

I own a copy of the Snodgrass (batting) with Maddox's name on top. It's a Piedmont 350, Fact. no. 25.

Pretty

[Leon]

Cool, old thread...

[Pat R]

A couple of new ones both Piedmont 350's Poland/Peaches Graham and Weimer/Billy Gilbert

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American Beauty 350 framed
Hinchman, H. - Taylor

Cycle 350
Beck - Unglaub

El Principe De Gales
Young - Rucker
Stovall (port.) - Lajoie (throwing)

Old Mill (Baseball Series)
Griffith (port.) - Chase (?)

Old Mill (Southern League)
Miller - Orth

Piedmont 150
Beaumont - Seymour
Bender (port.) - Delehanty (Wash.)
Bergen (bat) - Dooin
Brown, M (port.) - Magee (port.)
Bradley (port.) - Bender (port.)
Dahlen (Boston) - Wagner (Boston)
Devlin - Schulte (front view)
Evers (port.) - Chance (red port.)
Hinchman, B. - Stovall (port.)
Jennings (port.) - Jordan (port.)
Johnson (port.) - Schlei (catching)
Joss (port) - Criss
Konetchy - Jennings (port.)
Killian (pitching) - Chance (red port.)
Lindaman - Bresnahan (port.)
Lundgren (Cubs) - Doolin
Lundgren (Cubs) - Ball (New York)
Manning (batting) - Flick
Pastorius - Lake (NY, throw)
Powell (horizontal) - O'Leary (port.)
Rucker - Young?
Shipke - Griffith
Spade - Cicotte
Steinfeldt (port.) - Kling
Walsh - Seymour (batting)

Piedmont 350
Abbaticchio (brown) - Cicotte
Atz - Hoffman (Providence)
Butler - Raymond
Chance (yellow port.) - Feine (?)
Chase (blue port.) - Zimmerman
Chase (White Cap) - Jacklitsch
Delehanty (Wash.) - Waddell (port.)
Egan - Warhop
Elberfeld (NY port.) - Parent
Engle - Phillippe
Ganzel - Downs
Griffith (port.) - Chase (?)
Herzog (NY) - Ritchey
Hoblitzell - Stephens
Hunter - Quinn
Jackson - Hoffman (St. Louis)
Jennings (port.) - Jordan (port.)
Livingstone - Maloney
Marquard (port) - Cree
McElveen - Dygert
McGinley - Speaker
McGraw (no cap port.) - Chesbro
McIntyre (Detroit) - Hoffman (St. Louis)
Moran, H. - Arrellanes
Oakes - Easterly
Poland - Peaches Graham
Rossman - McBride
Schmidt - Starr
Shaw - Chappelle
Snodgrass (batting) - Maddox
Turner - Lobert
Turner - O'Leary
Wallace - Sullivan
Walsh - Brown, M (port.)
Weimer - Billy Gilbert

Piedmont 350 SL
Miller - Orth

Sweet Caporal 150-25
Manning-Flick

Sweet Caporal 350-25
Lennox - Clancy

Sweet Caporal 350-30
Barbeau - Strang
Graham (St. Louis) - Clark (Columbus)
Graham (Boston) - Burns
Killian (port.) - Dubuc
McGlynn - Jones (Detroit)
Rossman - Thomas
Schmidt (Portrait) - Sweeney (Bill)
Wagner, Heinie (left shoulder) - Schlei (catching)

Sweet Caporal - factory number unknown
Bowerman - Chance (front ?)
McGraw (front ?) - Hayden
Pickering - Myers (front )

The rest - back information unknown or damaged
Bresnahan (port.) - Doolin
Criger - Ritchey
Keeler (front ?) - McGraw (front ?)
Walsh - Lumley Piedmont (back damage - no series number)

[hank_jp]

I have the following:

Turner/Lobert - it has a Piedmont 350 back
Bowerman with Chance on top - SC 350
McGraw with Hayden on top - SC 350
Stahl with glove - majorly miscut - top 1/4 of card is blank [white with no
printing, including back] - Piedmont 350

Hank

[drumback]

I had a Keeler - McGraw combo a few years ago. If I remember correctly, I offered it on this forum at a pretty low price, and there were no takers. So, I ebayed it, and it flopped. But I guarantee you, it does exist. Wish I had kept a scan.

[Texxxx]

Here is another one for the list. It is a Bill Graham with a Josh Clark on top with a SC 350 F30 back. I also have a Wallace that is MC with a blank top. I am pretty sure there is enough blank card on top if there was a card above it the name would show. I know it is not a big deal but if anyone is trying to put together a sheet layout the info might help.

[dog*dirt]

Here is a Konetchy Piedmont 350 with same name on top and bottom.

[mrvster]

sweet card bruce....lmk if u ever want to part with it


peace

johnny

[Jantz]

Just wanted to say thanks to Bruce & other members for posting their information on these two-namers.

I myself, along with a few other board members record all of these examples. Maybe someday it will help with putting a sheet together.



Jantz

[Runscott]

Add the Bender portrait with 'Delahanty, Washington' at the top.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by dog*dirt

Here is a Konetchy Piedmont 350 with same name on top and bottom.

is this a double print on the sheet then?

[lharri3600]

Here's one I just picked up

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by lharri3600

Here's one I just picked up

Larry, I think that card has the same name at top and bottom, not two different ones. But I've been wrong plenty of times before.

[lharri3600]

me too

[Pat R]

I found the scans of the Lundren/Ball, maybe it's me but this card doesn't look
legit to me.

[g_vezina_c55]

Two name card command a premium value ? According to you what is the premium for a two name card.. ? Same name on top and bottom

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

Two name card command a premium value ? According to you what is the premium for a two name card.. ? Same name on top and bottom

Two (different) names command a premium based on relative scarcity. Only on the order of 3 dozen known. Double (same) names do not command the same premium. I will pay nicely for a double name (or miscut) if the full name is at the top, but it is still no where near the price you would expect for a two name card.

[Eggoman]

Hi!

If anyone is STILL keeping track of these, I have a McGraw/Chesbro that I will post a picture of when it comes back from PSA...

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by Eggoman

Hi!

If anyone is STILL keeping track of these, I have a McGraw/Chesbro that I will post a picture of when it comes back from PSA...

If you could post up a scan it would be appreciated by me and probably a few other members.

Thanks

[Luke]

Yeah, at least a few of us are very interested in this topic.

[Millerd33]

Buddy of mine just got this one today. It does not appear on the known list in this thread.
Boss Schmidt Piedmont 350 with what I'm pretty sure it's Charlie Starr as the top name.

Sadly I don't know how to do images on forums. If someone would like to Email me at Millerd33@yahoo.com or PM on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/millerd33 I can send you the image to post here.

[chalupacollects]

I have one from Hannifan, Jersey City with half the name on top and bottom. Its a Sovereign 350... I can scan if anyone wants to see it....

[mrvster]

post it!!!

in memory of Jantz

great to see his thread still alive....I miss this dude

[chalupacollects]

ok in memory of Jantz!

Is this combo with the back rare? didn't see any with this back on the masterlist in previous pages...

[Luke]

Hannifan is pretty common with the same name on top. Sweet card though! This thread is mainly meant for card that have two different names on top and bottom.

Here is Chad's Schmidt/Starr

edit: Sorry it's so small. You'll have to take my word for it that Starr is on top

[mrvster]

great to see you post in memory of Jantz

sov hannifan is a tufer front/back combo tho......the fact 25's are rarer in the SWEET CAPORAL BACKS....

but your hannifan is definitely a keeper

Luke!

great stuff

[ahumes13]

Here's a new one, Dahlen/Wagner ... too bad it's not THAT Wagner!

Scan isn't great, but it's definitely WAGNER, BOSTON AMER. Piedmont 150