One T206, Two Names
 

I wanted to post a scan of this T206 since I know there are a few other board members who are interested in T206s with multiple names. I was one of the underbidders on this Ebay auction that ended tonight. Anyway, here is a scan of the front and back. Bender is the name on the top.


Jantz

I watched that auction - ending price was pretty strong imo.

I was the winner
 

Jantz, I was the winner of the card. I had to look at that card twelve times to make sure I wasn't seeing things. A nice companion to my Chase-Zimmerman.

The only T206 I have w/two names is Wilson, Pittsburgh - P350/25. His name is on both top and bottom. Most t206s that I've seen have the same name top and bottom.

So what does this say about the cards printed on a sheet? Were there different players on each sheet for Piedmont 150 series but many rows of the same player per sheet for Piedmont 350 run?

Known universe of two names
 

Jantz has a lot of information on the "two different name" T206s. I don't know if anyone has deciphered a pattern or has a theory. I believe the Bradley-Bender brings the number of known cards that exhibit this to 19. I have a list (and scans) somewhere... just have to dig it up.

I had a few dozen of these that I got in a huge T206 error collection I bought. I sold a bunch on ebay and they never brought much. I think I still have a few left but I am fairly sure all have the same player's name top and bottom. I will try to dig them out and check the names.

Dan, you sent me a Carrigan a few years ago that had his name top and bottom, sit resides over my desk and again thank you.

Rawn

2 name
 

:D Adda boy Erick!! Jantz, u have the eye......proud of u guys....:)

Great stuff. Cant recall seeing two different names on any of this type of freak. A rarity of a rarity.


If anyone is keeping score., Add a Stovall and Cicotte to the list.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...sprintsx19.jpg

The list of two different names
 

I'm fairly certain about the existence of the following twenty. I was able to find scans of 17 of them via Google this evening. I bolded the ones I couldn't find. The Engle-Phillippe is the most dramatic of the group, with most of the card displaying Phillippe.

01. Abbaticchio(Brown)-Cicotte (Piedmont 350)
02. Atz-Hoffman (Piedmont 350)
03. Bradley-Bender (Piedmont 150)
04. Chase(BluePortrait)-Zimmerman (Piedmont 350)
05. Delehanty(Washington)-Waddell
06. Elberfeld(NewYork)-Parent (Piedmont 350)
07. Engle-Phillippe (Piedmont 350)
08. Hoblitzell-Stephens (Piedmont 350)
09. Jennings(Portrait)-Jordan (Piedmont 350)
10. Killian(Pitching)-Chance (Piedmont 150)
11. Killian(Portrait)-Dubuc (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
12. Lindaman-Bresnahan (Piedmont 150)
13. Lundgren(Cubs)-Ball
14. Lundgren(Cubs)-Doolin
15. McElveen-Dygert (Piedmont 350)
16. McGlynn-Jones (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
17. Pickering-Myers (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory ?)
18. Snodgrass(Batting)-Maddox (Piedmont 350)
19. Spade-Cicotte (Piedmont 150)
20. Turner-Lobert

I also ran across reports of two others, but I don't recall ever seeing a scan of them:
Rossman-McBride
McGraw-Keeler

I just saw one tonight rummaging through some older gentleman's stuff. I didn't get it (yet) because we need to sort through the cards. It was a weird collection...many original cards, 2 graded...and several I believe were fake!:confused:

When examples come up with two different names on one card it's important to my research to know which back brand, series and factory number is on the card. Anytime this information can be included with a post it would be greatly appreciated.

I own a copy of the Snodgrass (batting) with Maddox's name on top. It's a Piedmont 350, Fact. no. 25.

With backs (as I have them)
 

Jantz may have more info, but this is what I know from other threads:

01. Abbaticchio(Brown)-Cicotte (Piedmont 350)
02. Atz-Hoffman (Piedmont 350)
03. Bradley-Bender (Piedmont 150)
04. Chase(BluePortrait)-Zimmerman (Piedmont 350)
05. Delehanty(Washington)-Waddell
06. Elberfeld(NewYork)-Parent (Piedmont 350)
07. Engle-Phillippe (Piedmont 350)
08. Hoblitzell-Stephens (Piedmont 350)
09. Jennings(Portrait)-Jordan (Piedmont 350)
10. Killian(Pitching)-Chance (Piedmont 150)
11. Killian(Portrait)-Dubuc (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
12. Lindaman-Bresnahan (Piedmont 150)
13. Lundgren(Cubs)-Ball
14. Lundgren(Cubs)-Doolin
15. McElveen-Dygert (Piedmont 350)
16. McGlynn-Jones (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30)
17. Pickering-Myers (Sweet Caporal 350 Factory ?)
18. Snodgrass(Batting)-Maddox (Piedmont 350)
19. Spade-Cicotte (Piedmont 150)
20. Turner-Lobert

Thanks Anthony and Erick that information is greatly appreciated.

Great thread Jantz, and great info Erick. So, it seems the majority are Piedmont & Sweet Caporal 150 & 350....anyone seen any of these in the 460 series?

Sincerely, Clayton

Here is all the information that I have been able to gather on two different name T206s so far.

01. Abbaticchio (brown)-Cicotte PD350
02. Atz - Hoffman (Providence) PD350
03. Bradley (port.) - Bender PD150-25
04. Chase (blue port.) - Zimmerman PD350-25
05. Delehanty (Wash.) - Waddell back unknown
06. Elberfeld (NY port.) - Parent PD350
07. Engle - Phillippe PD350-25
08. Hoblitzell - Stephens PD350
09. Jennings (port.) - T. Jordan (Brooklyn) PD350-25
10. Killian (pitching) - Chance PD150
11. Killian (port.) - Dubuc SC350-30
12. Lindaman - Bresnahan PD150-25
13. Lundgren (Cubs) - Ball (NY) back unknown
14. Lundgren (Cubs) - Doolin PD150-25
15. McElveen - Dygert PD350
16. McGlynn - Jones (Detroit) SC350-30
17. Pickering - Myers (?) SC350
18. Snodgrass (batting) - Maddox PD350-25
19. Spade - Cicotte PD150-25
20. Turner - Lobert back unknown
21. McGraw (no cap port.) - Chesbro back unknown

Most of these cards are owned by board members and I have gotten my information and scans from them. The exceptions being #20 & 21 which came from T206museum. I've read the history of that website and it's owner, but I cannot rule out the possibility (at this time) that those two cards are legit.

Clayton - So far, none from the 460 series.

Erick - I was going to pass along the information about #21 to you after I won the Bradley/Bender ;) I'm glad the Bradley/Bender has a good home now.

Tim - Hopefully the board members who own some of these cards will add some more information to the list.


Jantz

I own#6 #10 and #17.......and yes on #17!! ur right on the back Jantz...btw , email me Jantz, u rock!!:D

Jantz, Tim, Erick, and Clayton......plz keep up the great stats, were counting on you guys....


if anyone wants to part with one of these, lmk, or any t206 freaks;)

The Turner-Lobert was in the September 2007 Sotheby's auction. I'd say that makes it a legit.
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...7#/35575027/36

Thanks Jantz- this is great info, and I appreciate you guys sharing your research with us.

21 known to exist- I'd say that makes these extremely rare. I'd guess that there could be a few more floating around out there "unknown"- just a guess.

I think they are awesome !!!

Johnny- how's it going my friend? :D Hope all is well on the East coast-

Sincerely, Clayton

I don't really collect cards but like I said earlier while rummaging through some gentleman's other stuff for sale I noticed a t-206 with a name on partial name on top and bottom. So let me see if I've got this right...as of now we know of 21 different cards within this set with two names on the front of the card? That's not saying there are only 21 known cards known TOTAL does it? That would be more rare than the Wagner!:eek:

Clayton
 

Clayton,

GREAT!!!thanx for asking, how bout you in sin city?????....just picked up an upside down om back southern leagurer($700)! that will look sweet in the collection of my upside down backs...how are you??call me this weekend;)


ur dude


v

The rare ones have two different names on them, double name of the same player are quite common.

The universe is infinite, but...
 

Based on Jantz' research and what I've been able to find over the last few months online, there are 21 scans that have been shared/collected of miscut T206 cards with a different name on top. There are certain to be more out there, but those are the ones that are now known.

Hopefully I'll be able to snag the one I saw Tues. I don't remember but I'm pretty sure the top and bottom name were pretty much impossible to decipher but I will post a scan if I can get it. Like I said I'm not real informed about cards just knew it was pretty neat when I saw it.

Here is a composite of all of the scans
 

http://gallery.me.com/kimsummers/100...13186380380001

*Edited... thanks Tim for the missing scan

Miscut T206
 

Guys,

I have gone through some recent additions and have this card too add to the checklist. This is a Livingstone/Maloney 2 name card. Scans are attached.

T206 two names
 

I had a Keeler - McGraw combo a few years ago. If I remember correctly, I offered it on this forum at a pretty low price, and there were no takers. So, I ebayed it, and it flopped. But I guarantee you, it does exist. Wish I had kept a scan.

Here is another one for the list. It is a Bill Graham with a Josh Clark on top with a SC 350 F30 back. I also have a Wallace that is MC with a blank top. I am pretty sure there is enough blank card on top if there was a card above it the name would show. I know it is not a big deal but if anyone is trying to put together a sheet layout the info might help.

Here is a Konetchy Piedmont 350 with same name on top and bottom.

bruce....
 

sweet card bruce....lmk if u ever want to part with it;)


peace

johnny

Just wanted to say thanks to Bruce & other members for posting their information on these two-namers.

I myself, along with a few other board members record all of these examples. Maybe someday it will help with putting a sheet together.



Jantz

Add the Bender portrait with 'Delahanty, Washington' at the top.

Two names
 

I have the following:

Turner/Lobert - it has a Piedmont 350 back
Bowerman with Chance on top - SC 350
McGraw with Hayden on top - SC 350
Stahl with glove - majorly miscut - top 1/4 of card is blank [white with no
printing, including back] - Piedmont 350

Hank

is this a double print on the sheet then?

Hopefully a board member picked this up. Great card.

http://i.imgur.com/mPjN7.jpg

Wasn't me
 

I was the under bidder... Didn't think someone would go to $800 with the juice. Very nice card, though. And I do hope someone here got it.

Bender
 

Chris!!! ERICK!!

CRAP!!!:(


hoping one of you guys scored it....:mad:

Get that card!

Not as cool as a '2 different names', but I really like this Byrne I got from Greg (GNaz) - thanks!

Rossman with Thomas at top
 

I could have sworn I posted this - sorry if it's a duplicate:

Others not listed on here. Criger/Ritchey & Bresnahan/Doolin are MIA.

http://i.imgur.com/mS2en.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7PSUP.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/quAcX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/y534N.jpg

I'll leave this to for the printer-experts like Steve to ponder, but the Bender with two names clearly has the top and bottom names printed closer together than on the same-name cards (Seymour is a top-of-sheet card posted for reference, and Bresnahan is just for reference). It would be interesting to see if this is a trend, or just a coincidence - Chris probably has enough scans of the two types of 2-name cards to check it out if he is so inclined.

Also, the spacing on McGraw's two names is a touch farther apart than on the other two-name cards.

Great pickup, I've noticed that the names can be all over the place hight wise.

A two name card has to be the top example on the bottom half of a sheet with a lower printed name from the above different player then by chance cut long/top player cut short.

Several things had to happen to get the Bender like that, a neat "rarity" for sure.

Update
 

Since the list of two-namers has grown, here is my updated list. If anyone can add anything to my list or fill in any gaps, it would be greatly appreciated. Especially if its a typo or incorrect info. :eek: Thanks to all the members who helped add to this list.

Player Card Name on Top Card Back (if known)

1. Abbatichio(brown) Cicotte PD 350
2. Atz Hoffman PD 350
3. Bradley(port) Bender(port) PD 150-25
4. Chase(blue port) Zimmerman PD 350-25
5. Delehanty(Wash) Waddell(port)
6. Elberfeld(NY port) Parent PD350
7. Engle Phillippe PD350-25
8. Hoblitzell Stephens PD350
9. Jennings(port) T.Jordan(Bkln.port) PD350-25
10. Killian(pitch) Chance(red port) PD150
11. Killian(port) Dubuc SC 350-30
12. Lindaman Bresnahan(port) PD150-25
13. Lundgren(Cubs) Ball(NY)
14. Lundgren(Cubs) Doolin PD 150-25
15. McElveen Dygert PD350
16. McGlynn Jones(Det) SC 350-30
17. Pickering Myers(?) SC 350
18. Snodgrass(bat) Maddox PD 350-25
19. Spade Cicotte PD 150-25
20. Turner Lobert PD 350
21. McGraw(port no cap) Chesbro
22. Powell(horizontal) O'Leary(port) PD 150
23. Barbeau Strang SC 350-30
24. Criger Ritchey
25. Rossman Thomas SC 350 30
26. Bresnahan(port) Doolin
27. Livingstone Maloney PD 350 25
28. Graham(St.L) Clark SC 350 30
29. Bender(port) Delehanty(Wash) PD 150 25
30. Bowerman Chance(port, color ?) SC 350
31. McGraw(?) Hayden SC 350
32. Keeler(?) McGraw(?)


Jantz

More for you from VCP the are all listed in our T206 GMO set which stands for Ghosts, Miscuts and oddities.

Adkins ( I can not make out the top)
Barry-Shad
Crandall/Crandall (Tolstoi back)
Doyle-bat (Tolstoi back)
Dubuc
Evers-port
Flick
Hahn/Hahn (SC)
Krause-port
Merkle-throwing (Tolstoi back)
Mitchel-Mike
Needham/Needham
Parent
Paskert
Shaw-Hunky
Smith-Happy/Smith-Happy
Walsh
Williams
Willis-bat/Willis-bat (Old Mill)

There are images of all cards but some are to hard to make out what the top name is for certain.

Bobby, how do you do such a search on the VCP site? I keep coming up with "no results"

Late to the game here
 

But if

(A) Most top-bottom miscuts show the same name

and

(B) Most left-right miscuts show the same player

then

(C) Wouldn't most sheets be of just one player?

I don't believe (B) to be true... my recollection is that ALL of the left-rights that I've seen have been of different players.

All of the side to side miscuts that I have seen show a different player...
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...Scan0004-1.jpg

Be well Brian