OT: Two Incredible collapses in one night

Brendan · #1 09-30-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Keep in mind that when the Yankees played the Sox last week in that extra inning game they kept ARod, Jeter, etc. on the bench the entire game -- even in a pinch hitting capacity.

Your point?

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Originally Posted by calvindog

The idea that the Yankees are the favorites in the AL is a joke -- their pitching sucks. After CC -- who hasn't pitched well of late -- they've got Nova and Garcia. I'll take either Detroit or Texas over them.

Nova and Garcia? They may not throw 97 mph but they've been winning games. Look at the Yankees pitching. Actually look at the numbers. Their starting pitching is top of the line. Every year, people want the Yankees to get some pitcher who is 12-12 with a 4.01 ERA (like that matters) to replace the stiff they have with a 16-7 record and a 3.67 ERA.

How about relief pitching? Dave Robertson. He's easily the best 8th inning guy in baseball and this is not a biased opinion. Then we have Mariano Rivera. Doesn't dominate his position like Dave Robertson has this year, but he's still top of the line.

I do find the moneyline odds at +180 (game 1) for Detroit are very high and I have taken advantage of that. Detroit may win (afterall anything can happen in these short series) but it won't be because of a lack of pitching from the Yankees.

yanks12025 · #2 09-30-2011, 06:25 AM

Rivera, has given up less hits, less walks, lower batting average, less homeruns, less loses, less runs allowed. So I'd still take Rivera over the show up Valverde. Also cause of Rivera's post season stats.

btcarfagno · #3 09-30-2011, 07:23 AM

Below is an excerpt from an article by one Eric Ortiz in January of 2011 from the NESN website:

"The Red Sox were slated to win about 95 games last year. They won 89 despite injuries to Pedroia (a former MVP) and Youkilis (a possible future MVP). Add them back, along with the new players and a healthy Ellsbury, and 100 wins doesn�t just appear plausible. It seems downright inevitable.

So does a date with history.

The 2001 Mariners won 116 regular-season games to set the American League record for most wins in a single season and tie the 1906 Cubs for the major league record (though the North Siders accomplished the feat in 152 games). Both those teams failed to win the World Series. The Cubs lost to the White Sox in six games in the Fall Classic. The Mariners didn�t even make it that far, falling to the Yankees in five games in the ALCS.

The Red Sox have no intention of suffering a similar fate. The way they are constructed, they could surpass the 116-win mark, but nothing less than a World Series title will make Boston happy.

The 2011 Red Sox possess all the pieces to have a season for the ages. If everything falls into place and the breaks go their way, they could do more than set records and become champions. They could do more than take their place on Immortality Peak and end up being mentioned in the same sentence as legendary clubs of the past: the 1929 A�s, the epic Yankees teams of the �30s, the 1970 Orioles, the 1976 Reds.

The 2011 Red Sox could accomplish a feat that has never been done. They could unseat the 1927 Yankees as the greatest major league team of all time.

That would be something to celebrate."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tom C

calvindog · #4 09-30-2011, 09:09 AM

[QUOTE=Brendan;928437]Your point?

The point is that to suggest that the Red Sox were screwed by the Yankees' failure to put their best pitchers in against the Rays ignores the Yankees' failure to do the same against the Sox a few days early. It evened out.

And to suggest that Nova and Garcia are a solid 2 and 3 really is stretching things. Nova is a rookie and Garcia has had one quality start in September. Yes, the Yanks are fantastic after the 7th inning. I think Game 1 is pretty crucial for both teams tonight.

scooter729 · #5 09-30-2011, 09:32 AM

I am a Red Sox fan, but that NESN article is pathetic. After having just watched a season full of games on NESN, I (and many others) are tired of the crap they spout on NESN, which is owned by the Red Sox.

The propaganda, the lack of criticism of the team, the constant marketing ("Sure, the Red Sox are in the late innings of a big game in September, but enough about that - who wants to buy a Fenway Park brick or have Wally the Green Monster at your child's party?!?") - enough is enough.

It almost (and I say almost) made me happy to get a break from NESN when there would be a Saturday FOX game done by Buck and McCarver.

sportscardpete · #6 09-30-2011, 09:35 AM

With the Yankees offense all you need is a consistent pitcher that will give u 6+ innings of decent work. I'm OKAY with Garcia. Now with Nova, he can be electric but he has had some clunkers. I'm a little worried about that.

Anyone want to talk about Fister? The guy has been fire with the tigers. Him and Verlander make a nice 1-2 punch.

Agree with the above post, game 1 will be critical.

oldjudge · #7 09-30-2011, 09:56 AM

The Yankees have one of the best bullpens in baseball (fingers crossed when Soriano comes in) but jeff is right. Their starting pitching is really questionable, even Sabathia. In Sabathia's last ten starts he has a 4.06 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP. Combine this with the fact that Sabathia has typically pitched worse during the playoffs than during the regular season and this hardly paints a picture of a lock down starter.

calvindog · #8 09-30-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

The Yankees have one of the best bullpens in baseball (fingers crossed when Soriano comes in) but jeff is right. Their starting pitching is really questionable, even Sabathia. In Sabathia's last ten starts he has a 4.06 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP. Combine this with the fact that Sabathia has typically pitched worse during the playoffs than during the regular season and this hardly paints a picture of a lock down starter.

Exactly. And agreed about Nova above. People are talking about him as if he's Andy Pettite. A couple months ago he was AJ Burnett.

Brendan · #9 09-30-2011, 03:21 PM

[QUOTE=calvindog;928477]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brendan

Your point?

The point is that to suggest that the Red Sox were screwed by the Yankees' failure to put their best pitchers in against the Rays ignores the Yankees' failure to do the same against the Sox a few days early. It evened out.

And to suggest that Nova and Garcia are a solid 2 and 3 really is stretching things. Nova is a rookie and Garcia has had one quality start in September. Yes, the Yanks are fantastic after the 7th inning. I think Game 1 is pretty crucial for both teams tonight.

I agree with you on it evening out. But, I can't agree with you on Nova, (16-4....I don't even see an argument other than the fact that he's a near-rookie) though considering Garcia has been slightly shaky as of late I might still consider him solid but certainly not a plus. In these short series every game is important and with Verlander going I'm not looking forward to tonight.

tbob · #10 09-30-2011, 03:38 PM

The networks have to be pulling for a Yankee-Phils world series. If it is Tampa Bay or Detroit-Arizona or Milwaukee there will be major gnashing of teeth. People are sleeping on Detroit and Milwaukee but both clubs are built for short series' so I won't be surprised if they get in the Series.

Brendan · #11 09-30-2011, 03:38 PM

double post

Brendan · #12 09-30-2011, 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=calvindog;928477]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brendan

Your point?

The point is that to suggest that the Red Sox were screwed by the Yankees' failure to put their best pitchers in against the Rays ignores the Yankees' failure to do the same against the Sox a few days early. It evened out.

And to suggest that Nova and Garcia are a solid 2 and 3 really is stretching things. Nova is a rookie and Garcia has had one quality start in September. Yes, the Yanks are fantastic after the 7th inning. I think Game 1 is pretty crucial for both teams tonight.

I agree with you on it evening out. But, I can't agree with you on Nova, (16-4 and if you want to play this ERA BS his ERA is a solid 3.70....I don't even see an argument other than the fact that he's a near-rookie) though considering Garcia has been slightly shaky as of late I might still consider him solid but certainly not a plus. In these short series every game is important and with Verlander going I'm not looking forward to tonight.

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