American Beautys on ebay

[Bigb13]

Besides the AB's atx840 got the guy to sell him the others. Rob

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

What Chris did sucks but that is what is happening and if you want something bad enough you are going to have to do the same thing. He obviously is not the only one that does this and it is probably safe to say that some that have responded to this thread have done the same but just don't admit it, which was Chris's mistake. I keep an eye on the Cycle 460s and drop bids on them about half never reach the end of the auction. It is the way it is and if you want a card you are going to have to try the same tactics.

Lee

[atx840]

I did not get the ABs, I was going to bid like everyone else.

I live in western Canada, T206s did not migrate up here so I rely on eBay and the BST. I owned 15 T cards at the time and only 2 purchases through eBay.

I saw several cards offered by a pawn shop, no bids on 90% but he did not ship to Canada. I called and asked if I could buy a few as a lot and they said all or nothing. I made a very low offer (one card is worth 100+ times as much, not % but multiples) and they took it, minus a few that had bids already which was fine (T205 Mathewson and a few HOFs).

The guy ended up sending me way more cards than I wanted, all but the Mathewson, even 47 T205s which i don't collect. I mailed them back upon their request (long story), as well as 1/4 the T206s. I had no idea you could end an eBay auction if someone already bid on it.

One of my first posts was discussing this lot. I have learned a lot since then, most importantly that it's just cardboard.

[steve B]

I didn't think Chris was the one who'd snagged the ABs. He was just the first to say buying off ebay was ok while I was in a cranky mood.

But...... All the ABs had bids. So that theory is out.

As far as it not being against the rules till the auction is over
From http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...practices.html
You're not allowed to:

"List an item that may be out of stock at the time of purchase.

List an item that you're simultaneously selling outside of eBay.

Offer an item that may not be what's delivered to the buyer."


And that policy is part of the user agrement. So, NO you can't end to sell off ebay. You can end to sell to the high bidder at the bid price but that's one of the choices under the reason for ending early.
And NO, you can't use ebay as a classified ad.
And NO, you can't list an item that's for sale somewhere else.

It's quite clear. If anyone didn't read the used agreement they agreed to perhaps they should.

And if it wasn't just cardboard none of the lame excuses about not buying anything without cheating would be accepted. None of you accept it from McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, .............That was ok too, I mean they wouldn't win any games if they weren't juiced right? Or if you're waiting for an appointment it would be ok to tell the receptionist you'd give an extra hundred to go to the head of the line? Really, otherwise you'd have to wait for those undeserving other people who were also waiting.

I'm pretty fed up with the sort of attitude I'm seeing. I thought the people here were a better sort than this. After listening to the power company lie for two days I really wanted to spend some time with a community of people who aren't ..... Hell, I can't even describe my mood right now without getting into bruce land.

Steve B

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by steve B

So, NO you can't end to sell off ebay. You can end to sell to the high bidder at the bid price but that's one of the choices under the reason for ending early.
And NO, you can't use ebay as a classified ad.
And NO, you can't list an item that's for sale somewhere else.

Steve, you’re wrong here and let me explain why. I used to own a company called Dealer Advertising Solutions, LLC in Houston, TX. We listed used cars (and sometimes new ones too) on eBay on behalf of dealerships. We created the listings (descriptions, digital photos, etc) and scheduled/launched the listings, but the dealership (usually the internet manager) was responsible for working their own leads – emails, phone calls, etc. Anybody looking at the car on eBay couldn’t tell that the listing was created by a third party. We got paid for our work whether the car sold or not. Anyway, when a dealership listed a car on eBay, do you think they removed the car from their lot? Certainly not. The car stayed on their lot and was also available to retail customers. Meanwhile that same car was also available on other websites such as Yahoo.com, cars.com, autotrader.com, the dealership’s own website and probably a dozen other websites. Again, the idea is to sell the car and they will advertise it on as many websites as possible...yes, including eBay. If the car sold before the eBay auction was over, the dealership would remove the listing from eBay. Very rarely did a car actually sell on eBay because most of the time a serious buyer would inquire about the car and the buyer and the dealership were able to work a deal before the auction ended.

Now, I know we're talking about cars and not cards, but the same principle applies. The bottom line is that eBay allows it and they absolutely have to. I know they discourage it and they don’t offer buyer or seller protection for off-line purchases, but it is not against eBay’s rules to end an item early (bids or not) to sell to another buyer. In fact, as has already been pointed out, one of eBay’s reasons for ending in item early is, “This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold.”

I understand it's frustrating to bid on something thinking you have a shot to win it only to have the auction ended early by the seller. I've had it happen to me many times too. But, everybody is blaming the seller for something eBay allows to go on.

That said, I do have a problem with this case in particular because the seller's own description states, "THESE ARE TRUE AND REAL AUCTIONS BECAUSE THE E-BAY COMMUNITY DETERMINES THE SELLING PRICE."

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Steve, you’re wrong here and let me explain why. I used to own a company called Dealer Advertising Solutions, LLC in Houston, TX. We listed used cars (and sometimes new ones too) on eBay on behalf of dealerships. We created the listings (descriptions, digital photos, etc) and scheduled/launched the listings, but the dealership (usually the internet manager) was responsible for working their own leads – emails, phone calls, etc. Anybody looking at the car on eBay couldn’t tell that the listing was created by a third party. We got paid for our work whether the car sold or not. Anyway, when a dealership listed a car on eBay, do you think they removed the car from their lot? Certainly not. The car stayed on their lot and was also available to retail customers. Meanwhile that same car was also available on other websites such as Yahoo.com, cars.com, autotrader.com, the dealership’s own website and probably a dozen other websites. Again, the idea is to sell the car and they will advertise it on as many websites as possible...yes, including eBay. If the car sold before the eBay auction was over, the dealership would remove the listing from eBay. Very rarely did a car actually sell on eBay because most of the time a serious buyer would inquire about the car and the buyer and the dealership were able to work a deal before the auction ended.

Now, I know we're talking about cars and not cards, but the same principle applies. The bottom line is that eBay allows it and they absolutely have to. I know they discourage it and they don’t offer buyer or seller protection for off-line purchases, but it is not against eBay’s rules to end an item early (bids or not) to sell to another buyer. In fact, as has already been pointed out, one of eBay’s reasons for ending in item early is, “This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold.”

I understand it's frustrating to bid on something thinking you have a shot to win it only to have the auction ended early by the seller. I've had it happen to me many times too. But, everybody is blaming the seller for something eBay allows to go on.

That said, I do have a problem with this case in particular because the seller's own description states, "THESE ARE TRUE AND REAL AUCTIONS BECAUSE THE E-BAY COMMUNITY DETERMINES THE SELLING PRICE."

Ebay motors specifically allows it. The main site specifically does not.
The page I linked to is clear about their policies for the main site.

Steve B

[hunterdutchess]

My 2 cents: I use to try and buy card threw paypal until I got burned. IT IS A BIG RISK IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE SELLER! Paypal does not cover what is in the box they will only protect you if nothing is shipped from the transaction. So the seller can send you any cards he pleases and if there is tracking to prove it then he is covered.