What's this SGC rumor????

[barrysloate]

In tracking my sales over the years I never felt that any quality vintage cards in SGC holders performed any worse than those graded by PSA, and in fact whenever I achieved a really crazy price in one of my auctions, more often than not it was an SGC card.

It's too simplistic to say PSA cards sell for more than SGC's. In the set registry area they generally do. PSA has that market. They also seem to have the bigger share of the postwar market. But when you're talking about a scarce or rare vintage card in mid-grade, say Good to Excellent, the SGC cards are usually more accurately graded and hold their own comparatively well.

Both companies make grading mistakes but SGC makes fewer, and I think most collectors realize that. And that counts for something.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

In tracking my sales over the years I never felt that any quality vintage cards in SGC holders performed any worse than those graded by PSA, and in fact whenever I achieved a really crazy price in one of my auctions, more often than not it was an SGC card.

It's too simplistic to say PSA cards sell for more than SGC's. In the set registry area they generally do. PSA has that market. They also seem to have the bigger share of the postwar market. But when you're talking about a scarce or rare vintage card in mid-grade, say Good to Excellent, the SGC cards are usually more accurately graded and hold their own comparatively well.

Both companies make grading mistakes but SGC makes fewer, and I think most collectors realize that. And that counts for something.

Barry I agree with everything you say. But even if SGC makes fewer mistakes, is that because they are focused on vintage as opposed to focusing on a wide variety of items like PSA does? Again, no disrespect to SGC I love their holders a lot more. I just feel that PSA might make more mistakes because they either deal with a wider range of cards or just a higher volume in general.

[dwr11]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Both companies make grading mistakes but SGC makes fewer, and I think most collectors realize that. And that counts for something.

Of course SGC makes fewer mistakes than PSA - they grade just a fraction of the cards PSA grades each month.

[barrysloate]

They grade more total cards, but not sure they grade more vintage cards. And I'll have to assume PSA employs more graders. Look, I haven't done a scientific study, I'm just speaking from my observations. I feel SGC is more accurate and consistent, that's all.

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by dwr11

Of course SGC makes fewer mistakes than PSA - they grade just a fraction of the cards PSA grades each month.

Great point. If SGC had the massive volume of PSA, I am sure many more mistakes would be found. Just a basic ebay keyword search shows over 6,000 SGC cards for sale and over 98,000 PSA cards for sale. PSA would have to be superhuman to produce fewer or the same amount of miscues as SGC.

[Big Ben]

So if SGC grades fewer cards, and I have no reason to doubt this, than I think that there is no excuse for SGC to not have a better data base for collectors to look up cards before they decide on a purchase. jmho

[k-dog]

Crack out and re-submission has proven that a card graded today can grade differently at any given time in the future. If SGC is having personnel, management and customer service issues...I see that as a much bigger problem than whether or not a card will grade 20 or 30!!!

[JamesGallo]

Originally Posted by bbeck

Great point. If SGC had the massive volume of PSA, I am sure many more mistakes would be found. Just a basic ebay keyword search shows over 6,000 SGC cards for sale and over 98,000 PSA cards for sale. PSA would have to be superhuman to produce fewer or the same amount of miscues as SGC.

Christ, people forget that PSA has been AROUND A LOT longer hence more graded cards are available.

I would like to compare year by year over the last 5 years and I would bet the numbers are A LOT closer then many think.

James G

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by JamesGallo

Christ, people forget that PSA has been AROUND A LOT longer hence more graded cards are available.

I would like to compare year by year over the last 5 years and I would bet the numbers are A LOT closer then many think.

James G

If you have access to that information I would love to take that bet (and I believe most unbiased observers would also). PSA can be researched, they are public. I have no favoritism towards either company but I would venture when you take all submissions into account PSA would be a runaway winner in the last 5 years.

[cwazzy]

Originally Posted by bbeck

If you have access to that information I would love to take that bet (and I believe most unbiased observers would also). PSA can be researched, they are public. I have no favoritism towards either company but I would venture when you take all submissions into account PSA would be a runaway winner in the last 5 years.

What he said.

Originally Posted by cwazzy

What he said.

So you finally agree they are the worst

Just busting your nuts Chris. Every chance I get

[botn]

Originally Posted by bbeck

Great point. If SGC had the massive volume of PSA, I am sure many more mistakes would be found. Just a basic ebay keyword search shows over 6,000 SGC cards for sale and over 98,000 PSA cards for sale. PSA would have to be superhuman to produce fewer or the same amount of miscues as SGC.

And on this SGC friendly board SGC may have never made a single mistake.

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by botn

And on this SGC friendly board SGC may have never made a single mistake.

How true. SGC can do no wrong with many on this board. I own many cards from both companies but saying that SGC has graded close to the amount of cards in total volume that PSA has in the past 5 years? If that is the case SGC needs to hire a receptionist again.

[whitehse]

The question still remains..........Whats the rumor?????

[thejuanscards]

Hi guys, FYI, I ended the auction for that mis-graded 1969 Mantle card from page 3 of this thread. I can't sell it like that. I am sending it back to PSA for re-grading, and according to their policies, some cash. Has anybody else had an experience with returning a card like this? Their guarantee states that they will regrade the card for free, and will pay me the difference between the value of the grades (either SMR value or fair market value - their choice). So, in this case a 6 SMR is $165, and a 3 SMR is $40 based on their scale. But, 3's usually sell for closer to $100, so any idea? Am I going to get a check for $125 or $65 in the mail with the returned PSA 3 card? Or is this wishful thinking? Appreciate it, John

[martyp]

Originally Posted by thejuanscards

Hi guys, FYI, I ended the auction for that mis-graded 1969 Mantle card from page 3 of this thread. I can't sell it like that. I am sending it back to PSA for re-grading, and according to their policies, some cash. Has anybody else had an experience with returning a card like this? Their guarantee states that they will regrade the card for free, and will pay me the difference between the value of the grades (either SMR value or fair market value - their choice). So, in this case a 6 SMR is $165, and a 3 SMR is $40 based on their scale. But, 3's usually sell for closer to $100, so any idea? Am I going to get a check for $125 or $65 in the mail with the returned PSA 3 card? Or is this wishful thinking? Appreciate it, John

I bought a PSA 7 card with a crease (it may have reapeared after being soaked) and showed them where PSA was grading on sight. They put the card into a PSA 4 holder and they mailed me a check.

[alanu]

Originally Posted by thejuanscards

Hi guys, FYI, I ended the auction for that mis-graded 1969 Mantle card from page 3 of this thread. I can't sell it like that. I am sending it back to PSA for re-grading, and according to their policies, some cash. Has anybody else had an experience with returning a card like this? Their guarantee states that they will regrade the card for free, and will pay me the difference between the value of the grades (either SMR value or fair market value - their choice). So, in this case a 6 SMR is $165, and a 3 SMR is $40 based on their scale. But, 3's usually sell for closer to $100, so any idea? Am I going to get a check for $125 or $65 in the mail with the returned PSA 3 card? Or is this wishful thinking? Appreciate it, John

I think they will only pay you if you purchased the card slabbed. If you are the one who sent in the card raw and are re-sending I don't think they will pay you the difference.

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by alanu

I think they will only pay you if you purchased the card slabbed. If you are the one who sent in the card raw and are re-sending I don't think they will pay you the difference.

that was my experience. If you were the submitter it becomes a "mechanical error" and they will simply correct the slab.

It is my understanding that if a card is a 8oc (for example) and it would grade a straight 7 they will automatically do that, if it would be 2 grades or lower they will add the qualifier. Requesting no qualifiers will not automatically get you a 2 grade drop- if the centering is at the level of a card 3 or 4 grades lower they'll give you that.
Requesting no qualifiers will not rid you of getting an "mk" if the card is marked or has an erased mark.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Both companies make grading mistakes but SGC makes fewer, and I think most collectors realize that. And that counts for something.

I have no doubt that what Barry means is that SGC has a lower percentage of grading mistakes than PSA, and I completely agree with this based on my experience.
Val